Ga. congressman warns of Obama dictatorship

Only two years. 

He can be voted out of office in two years.

How'd ya like to be represented by a nut-job like that.  I bet his constituents wish the election was tomorrow.

His state voted 60-40 for McCain.

Tom,

Georgia is the new Florida.  I live here and know.  All of the ballots have finally been counted.....TODAY.  Can you believe it??????  The actual number is McCain 52% and Obama 47%. 

We need a RECOUNT in every state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is going to be a LONGER 4 years of this so-called president!

Endless one or till McCain wins. Good try, reps.

Well, it may not be 4 years.  McCain should demand a recount.  It was unreal the way the media claimed Obama won this state and that state and then flash OBAMA WINS before there was any real proof.  Who rigged this ........the media!  Newspapers are Democratically biased and they pushed Obama and articles constantly about him. 

Who's investigating his so-called birth certificate now?  He was legally adopted by an Indonesian!  Minors lose all citizenship except that of their legal parent.  Just because he's got an old copy of an invalid birth certificate doesn't make him a citizen.  Oh right, he signed a card at the post office to sign up for Selective Service......who checked that birth certificate or did anyone even see it?  We all know what great service we get from the post office!

They said the same things you are saying about Hitler. He may not be totally wrong, Obama's former pals had similar ideas. They already took over the media, ACORN and most Americans. They now have plans to stifel the media outlets that don't agree with their views, so it does sound similar to what a dictatorship does before they take total control.

We have an obligation to speak up.  I commend this Congressman for standing up and telling the American people about BO's comments.  All of America must know what they are getting into with BO.  We must continue an open dialog and ask the tough questions.  By the way was it just me or did BO seem a little nervous during his press conference?  It seems without the teleprompter he has no good answers.  It will be interesting to see if his buddys in the press will actually step up to the plate and demand answers from BO.  I don't expect it but it would be nice to see.

Hey Last, it looks like YOU get the award.  I was wondering who would be the first Super Anus to bring up "the birth certificate" for the 9,876,465,234,876,434,565th time.  Give it a rest.  If you think your tired, old argument is original, then you're a legend in your own mind.

Your post is disrespectful to John McCain, since he said:   "I urge all Americans who supported me to join not only in congratulating him, but offering our next president our good will and honest effort to find the necessary compromises to bridge our differences."

Do you mean the Kenyan BC, or the Hawiian BC?

No, McCain's Panamanian BC.

The Dems will compare Bush to Hitler and then try something equally as outrageous.  It's not about ideas anymore, its "anything goes" if its YOUR side doing it.

It's funny how most democrats bash Bush for everything that he got passed with the approval of Congress. Especially now that Obama has met with Bush and agrees with most of his policies now that he will be in power. At least under Bush, our nation was protected and our rights were too. Espicially the 2nd amendment and our 1st. Pretty soon, the only way to disagree with Obama will be your basement.

As for the Bush bashing, did any of you Liberals and Democrats give him a chance? Don't lie to yourself, the answer is NO!

Yes, and please let him know - I'd guess his desk is moving to a converted broom closet any day.  Let him know your opinion:  Rep. Paul Brown, Washington DC Office, 2104 Rayburn House, Washington, DC  20515.

*Broun*

And then what about this?

http://homelessokc.newsvine.com/_news/2008/11/11/2100949-obama-calls-for-national-civilian-stasi-

Just remember PA re-elected Murtha after he called his constituents racist and then called them rednecks.  Incumbents have a much easier time of being re-elected.  This should be the big issue.  The corrupt people we have elected to the Congress and Senate should be removed.  All this talk about "change" and yet such little change in the people we voted in.  Now, I know there have been some changes made, I just wish we would for once clean house.  I don't care what party you are on.  This is the only way we will truly get out country back.  We must demand that our voices are heard.  We, the American people, need a "bail-out."  We need to get rid of these so-called representatives that get into office and all they care about is more power.  MONEY,MONEY,MONEY.  It's all about greed!

Some folks have an axe to grind because their guy lost. Gee, it sure sucks to be you. Well, give Obama your best shot. He's a man, he can take it. If that doesn't help, you can always try primal scream therapy.

Meanwhile, the rest of us will be doing our part to repair the damage done by the Bush/Cheney administration during the past eight long, arduous years.

You people sound as sick and dislusional as that Georgia Senator. You take something that comes straight out of the heart of KKK country as the gospel truth. Plus, it seems as if you have been listening to GOP and Special Interest lies so long that you are beginning to believe them.

Hey...here is an idea...why not listen to the FACTS ? Read up on what President-elect Obama REALLY said before making any judgements and false accusations.

As far as the military vote? This retired Marine was proud to cast his vote for true change away from the warmongering and lying GOP. President-elect Obama is not perfect...far from it...but the alternative was much worse. At least he seems to truely care about the people of, not just this country, but the whole world.

Obama?

Not if we form militia..buy buy buy more guns and arm yourself to the teeth because National Federal Socialism is here and it is rearing its ugly head.

Some one tell us about what Lexington and Concord have to do with our history? Or do they still teach this in your NEA-run schools?

Jack Baum,

It really would be good if we the people were regulated and were able to form a armed militia at any given moment. But it won't happen for two reasons. One, we never regulated ourselves except for having a few privately owned gun clubs and the NRA to keep us in order. And two, if it came time for we the people to take up arms many won't be able to because of gun purchasing laws and two most people don't even know how to shoot a gun.

this is america-everyone knows how to shoot a gun!!

Dissociate, How wrong that you are! A hundred million law abiding Americans own guns for self defense and hunting. And they know how to shoot! The military alone discharges thousands of trained soldiers every year. You do not want to piss off the American people to the point of Armed Rebellion!

What use to be great about America was that we were able to peacefully elect a new president, and the transition from one administration to the next went smoothly. The American people accepted and respected the new president.  I am ashamed of America for the hatred and bigoted behavior we have shown in this election.  Maybe President John Adams was correct with the part of the Alien and Sedition Act which made  criticizing the president a traitorous offense.

What the hell are you talking about,,,,Lib.s said it was patriotic to dissagree with Bush,,,,,and the things they said about Bush was OK because he is a Republican....

Catherine,  that would also make traitors out of those who criticized Bush......Hey, that would make Obomba (the Kenyan) and John McClown traitors as well.  I'm sure you, as well as millions of others, criticized Bush at some point.  That would make you traitors as well.  So much for "freedom of speech".

AMERICA FIRST, ONLY AND ALWAYS !!!!

Actually, I don't really think that the CAC even has to do with being armed. Sounds more like responding in the case of National Disasters on things like emergency medical services and rebuilding infrastructure to me, but judge for yourself:

Create a Civilian Assistance Corps (CAC): There is presently no mechanism for civilians with special skill-sets (be they doctors, lawyers, engineers, city planners, agriculture specialists, police, etc.) and a sense of service, to be trained and organized to help their nation when it needs them. The Civilian Assistance Corps (modeled after similar auxiliary groups in Virginia and California) would provide each federal agency a pool of volunteer experts willing to deploy in crises. They would be pre-trained and screened for deployment to supplement departments’ expeditionary teams. The creation of such a corps would ensure that true experts carry out tasks such as restoring electricity or creating banking systems, rather than the current practice of expecting already over-burdened soldiers to assume these roles. An Obama administration will set a goal of creating a national CAC of 25,000 personnel.

Frankly? It sounds like they learned a few lessons from Katrina, and this CAC would be a lot better then Blackwater because, call me strange, but I prefer my "socialist groups" without guns and with laws. But again, that's just me.

Is everyone forgetting that the military answers to the President as well.  And does nobody get what he is asking for?  Our military has been used inappropriately and has been too thinned out and we need domestic security as well.  And as long as our military is fighting where they shouldn't be, we will need help at home.

dissociate,

'well-regulated' has nothing to do with government rules. a regulator was a mechanical device to true the sights on muskets, so as to hit your target.

militia is any able bodied male, 16-60.  it does not apply to the reserves or national guard as these did not come into being until the late 19th/early 20th century.

"A man with a gun is a citizen, a man without a gun is a slave."  

Daniel Webster, in Congress, 1792

Sick and Tired, is there anything you disagree with when it comes to BO?  That is the problem people.  BO has a "cult" like following.  That to me is very scary.  He can tell his followers anything and they will do it.  Not only will they do it but anyone that doesn't follow will be cast aside.  The idea that all of America must come together because BO is President is outrageous.  Where were all these people over the past 4-8 years?  Did they just find unity now?  If so, don't they understand  how we feel?  There are millions of Americans that do not want to go down a socialist path.  Just because we don't agree with BO does not make us bad Americans.  We need to keep our freedoms or we are doomed as a nation.  We must always challenge and question our leaders.  We must demand an open and honest dialog.  And we must never give to much power to one person.  EVER!

Am willing to bet my life that this CAC will have it's weapons in secured foot lockers when they answer such emergency's! Let me remind you that having this CAC of what did you say, 25,000 men, is the equivalent of an average US ARMY Division !

Wasn't there a movie sometime ago about Terrorists in an American city blowing up @!$%# and the US Military was called in to help out that city and the entire population was at each others throat's for racism and in the end, The General was arrested for crimes against the people ? 

Correct me if am wrong here, THE US MILITARY IS NOT ABOVE THE LAW and neither is the PRESIDENT because the LAW IS THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA !  

Yeah, I must be one PARANOID SOB !

Good argument reggie92 now, replace the initials BO with GWB and Socialist with Fascist and you will understand the last 8 years.

Phoenix, I don't recall anyone having a "cult" like feeling about GWB at anytime.  BO's movement is totally different.  And you have to move on about GWB.  He's out.  Thank GOD.  But get over it.  Is this all you culters have to offer.  BO is going to be better than Bush.  That's it?  What evidence can you offer?  What experience can you refer me to?  How do you know how he will lead?  No more factcheck garbage either.  The election is over.  Yet, no one, well maybe Michelle, knows much about his world views.  He has not been challenged by the media.  We don't know what he is capable of doing.  Here one Congressman dare to mention what BO himself said and you culters just close your ears.  It's like he never said it.  You won't believe it because he is the ultimate to you.  He only speaks of truth when he speaks to you.  If someone dare challenge him they are lying.  Do not believe them.  As a matter of fact, get in there faces and tell them I, BO,  am the almighty.  You culters better wake up fast!

I have been awake for a long time.  We knew as much of GWB before he took office, we knew just as much about McCain.   The Majority of people believed OB just like the majority of people believe GWB 8 years ago.  The reason why this congressman is looking silly is because Bush and the Republicans did worst in their 8 years and did take away several civil liberties like Hebeus Corpus, Illegal wiretaps on Citizens abroad.  If anyone criticied Bush they were call antiAmericans or Unpatriotic.  Now Obama is suggesting that there needs to be a national security agency to help rebuilt infurstracture and help with natural disasters.  Since Bush is on board with this it seems to be a good idea.  I do not find any wrong with this.  It has been stated that this agency with work like the national guard does in cases of natural disasters.  They will not be answerable to the Obama.  The Army, The Navy, The Marines, The Coast Guard are already answerable to the President that is why he is call the Comander in Chief.

Perhaps the Black Panthers will lead this military style group that Obama wants. Did you ever think the prresence of two military style dress black men, one swinging a nightstick, might just intimidate anyone from voting or speaking?

Must have been a fire sale on tinfoil hats this weekend

nkorb1, Those two jokers did not intimidate anyone, and the proper authorities did come and escorted one of them off the site, also someone did speak out against it and it was reported first by Fox and later by the so-called liberal media.  This was also an isolated incident and did not stop anyone from voting. 

Apparently Catherine Heider will accept any old nazi mode of operation as long as it supports HER views.

Pheonix, there is an organization that helps out after national disasters. It is called the Red Cross. If people want to serve and volunteer, they can go and volunteer there. I don't want to have to force my children to volunteer so they can get tax credits to go to college. I want them to volunteer, because that is the way I raised them. Not because it is forced upon them. Pretty soon, that will change to. It will be you need to do community service to be able to go to college.

phoenix,

as someone who spends 50+ hrs a week in philadelphia at work, with numerous college friends on the P.D., no officer went to those precincts, no one was removed, and yes, over 500 white people were denied the vote. 

the afflicted voters, as well as officers assigned to that district, have sworn out affidavits attesting to what happened. the precinct captain has stated that he was told not to respond to the calls of voters being turned away.

YouGetWhatYouVotedFor, don't you think that having more people available after a natural disaster to help to rebuilt would be better for any community?  As to your children, wouldn't they recieve credit for volunteering?  There are many young people who are only concerned about themselves, Why is it such a crime for them to help out their communities?  Beside many colleges do give credit to applicants that do community service this would help them anyway.  

wildweasel, there is video of the police removing one of them.  It was on only one polling place.  It was reported by Fox News that the police remove one of them.  What about the  thousand of black people that were denied their vote for so long through similar scare tactics?  Your own medicine doesn't taste good, does it?

If you think this will be used for only natural disasters you are out of your mind.  And this is my point about BO.  We really don't know what he will do.  We just have his words and when he was talking about a civilian army he wasn't just referring to helping hands.

Dan Cantrell,

Words are usually stronger than actions. Of all the millions of gun owners in this country, how many will actually take up arms? Well those who do I hope they can shoot straight because we are no longer living in a "hide behind a rock and shoot" age. Today a helicopter alone can locate a patriot and a cell phone call can fink them out in no time. And who knows what else may happen in the future other than the laws against firearms which are now ruining our heritage at this very moment. The bio implant could very well become a reality soon and many will accept it simply because "Its the law".

wildweasel,

I was referring "well regulated" as the people regulating themselves, not the government.

WHAT TRUST ?

The people of our NATION has been lied too for so DAMN LONG, it doesn't surprise me that we all wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bite us !

Maybe you should stay behind the book of fairy tales and stay there !

Instead of this utter nonsense from Rep. Broun, we should be truly concerned about Blackwater Worldwide, a real armed security force.  Want to be scared about the future of our democracy?  Read up about those far right-wing mercenaries, their reactionary founder, Erik Prince, and their connections to the Bush Administration and the neo-cons.

And Blackwater is paid for by right-wing reactionaries. They are the true New World Order which we should all fear. On to the New Jarusalem!

Debbie, thank you for being the first writer to inject some sense into this mess.  When I saw the article, I was afraid this would happen all over the Vine.  I'm just trying to figure out who really wants America to fall; you know, "divided we fall"... ?  And so many issues that are published lately just serve to divide us.

Now listen.  We all agree that we need the best homeland security.  Right?  We all agree that our resources are stretched, considering the two fronts and other military requirements in the world.  Right?  And we all agree that the demands on civilian police forces are very high.  Right?

One of the reasons we helped win WWII was the formation of Civil Defense.  There may be a lot of people who are not aware of this phenomenon - and a real phenomenon it was! - that was essentially neighbors helping neighbors to help America win.  It is significant, and not accidental, that there is a Civil Defense Museum.  We have mothballed one of the most effective, democratic, and unifying programs that ever existed in our country.

But there are oligarchs in the U.S. who would not like the citizenry to have too much power.  Well, sorry.  America is a nation founded on the power of each citizen.  The irony here is the ordinary citizens who defend their own oppression.  President-elect Obama is talking about handing over more power to us.

Let us remember that the power in the back office of President Bush's administration was founded on the principles of the Project for the New American Century.  More to the point, it is clearly stated on their web site that they are an offshoot of the New Citizenship Project.  Let us remember that the Bush administration and the neo-conservative right have been very vocal in pushing the Unitary Executive Theory.at every turn.  Even Governor Sarah Palin was instructed to push concepts that would serve to expand the power of the Executive Branch, which means taking power away from you: the American Citizen.

Sorry this is such a long post, but you guys are worth it.

Just look at it.  President-elect Obama has shown a clear record of public service for the good of the majority of citizens.  His statements about civilian security should be understod in light of the Civil Defense concept.

On the other hand, the esteemed congressman from Georgia is part of a neo-conservative Republican Party that has spent many years building upon principles that remove you and me from the power equation, handing more power to fewer people.  Simple ideas.  Please take some time to study them, and engage in some rational dialog here.

Nail - head.  Great post.

Do your research, Obama does not intend to hand over any power to the people. I have done extenious research especially in the PNAC area, including writing an elabrotive research thesis on the letters to the then outgoing President Clinton and then incoming President Bush. Some very powerful forces are out there, many of which my litttle mind cannot fully comprehend, but none the less, Obama will socialize America if he follows through on what little outline of his ideas he has presented to these citizens who have over zealously voted him in.

*Not saying McCain was a better option, I think there was just a lack of good options here

Omg-I am so sick of all this ! I hear words like "fear, Darkest hour, and now dictatorship!! What is wrong with these people? Someone please tell me I would really like to understand?? So much fear and hatred for anything new!! This great man, Barack Obama has a power I have never seen in my almost 40 years. He has the power to unite people-to restore faith in this country- and to give people an undeniable hope that so many in this land have never felt before. It's like that old song says "there is something happening here"!! Give pres elect Obama a chance!!

And who is this President Obama? And I assert that the reason not much is remembered about the CDC is because not much came of it. The executive branch with its own armed force? Gimme a break!

Oh and don't forget, he is obsessed with abortion.... (god knows why) Oh, I know why, because having a child is a curse... so it is better to kill it than to actually provide for it...

What are you talking about? NO ONE IS OBSESSED WITH ABORTION.

First of all you are a man and you will never have to make that decision!! If you don't want the woman you are with to terminate the pregnancy--GET A VASCETOMY AND SHUT UP!!

Hey dave if you really beleive that there are millions of hungry neady children alive right now in the united states that needed to be provided for, why dont you anti-abortion nuts get on that NOW, they are waiting..... unless you dont have enough guts to  live up to your own promises..............

Dave, no one is obsessed with abortion.  Women's rights, maybe.  There are too many starving children in the streets, and no matter how hard people may try to be safe, accidents happen.  Better than a VP that doesn't think a woman should have the right to choose even if her pregnancy is a result of rape.  That is not freedom.

He doesn't lie? Did you forget his promise to use public financing? He lied right to your face many times throughout the campaign. Sat in a church that preached hatred for the white people, but he never heard any of it.

I don't know about you, but I was raised to take a man at his word until he breaks it, because if he lies once hewill continue to lie.

And we "only have fear its self to fear".  why are so many trying to cause fear and dissent rather than trying to work together to unify and restore confidence and good will?

You may be right about the Republicans never seeing the Whitehouse again but it will be because Obama never leaves it and pulls a Hitler action.  You have not read your history and it is a case of it repeating itself only this is the US not Germany. 

I want to hear from you again in June next year after Obama raises the Fed Gas Tax and Cigarette & Alcohol Taxes.  It will happen sooner than you think.  He's already talking changing 200 things Bush did and Bush refused to allow you to have to pay higher taxes on gasoline.  You sure didn't check out Clinton's past did you.  Over 100 people associated with him met with odd deaths.....over 12 of his own bodyquards "committed suicide"  right!

So... let me get this straight -- it's perfectly fine for Bush to render our civil liberties and freedoms irrelevant when it comes to his ideas for safety, but if someone claims (falsely, by the way) that Obama will do that very thing, its NOT ok?   I just want to make sure I've got the logic right.

Ahem...Did everyone conveniently miss this paragraph? 

Obama was referring in the speech to a proposal for a civilian reserve corps that could handle postwar reconstruction efforts such as rebuilding infrastructure — an idea endorsed by the Bush administration.

For crying out loud -- some people really need to get a grip.  No one is a Marxist, or a Socialist, or a communist, or a Nazi.  No one is taking away your rights (more that Bush has already).  And no one is "drinking kool aid" (a statement I find particularly repugnant because of its ties to the Jonestown tragedy).  I voted for Obama because Bush sent this country down the drain and we need some new ideas - Obama was the best candidate to help guide our country to recovery.

 Goodness... do you realize how incredibly paranoid and ridiculous some of you sound?  

kinda like the non-stop war against W, right?  what's good for the goose...

Really Professor. . . extenious?  Do you mean extensive?  Just sayin'

There are a lot of CULT people on "the vine" today.  Why did BO take his his 25 point agenda  off his website?  Oh, no big deal, right?  This is the best magic act I have ever seen.  What did you libs get us into this time?

Have you actually researched anything about president ELECT Obama?  He's not president yet... so until he is , you may want to read his book and do a little background research on the man.

BTW, he's a politician, so yes, he does lie.  His campaign was filled with nothing but empty promises and lies that he will never be able to achieve.

If he really does have this nation's best interest at heart, he will do his best to correct some of the problems our nation now faces. But... most likely, he will attempt to turn our nation into his version of socialistic america which will encite an revolution among the citizens.  American citizens are not going to sit back and allow him to give all our social security money to the illegal citizens in the nation just to fulfill his promise to these undeserving people.  We are not going to let him take the guns that the constitution says we can can have and we are not going to allow his private army of handpicked citizens to spy on us and be constantly looking over our shoulders.  We are not going to sit back and let the government own our homes and tell us how to spend our money.

Republican or democrat,  it doesn't matter.  If you voted for Obama simply because he was part of the democratic party, then you are just one of the many sheep that he shepharded in.  If you voted without looking into the man's background, then you are one that prefers to be blindly led about.  If you voted for him simply because of the color of his skin, then you are a racist, plain and simple. 

It is my greatest hope that the man does care enough about this nation to not create a revolutionary scenario.  I'd like to believe that he will bring about the change the nation needs, but honestly do not think it will happen without ripping the country in half.   He has shown me no reason to trust him with the country's future.  I do not feel he has the country's best interests at heart.  I feel his allegiance lies elsewhere and that we as a nation are going to learn the hard way just exactly where that in all too soon.

No worst that you conservatives got us into 8 years ago

Bush undermined and underfunded programs that keep the us safe. FDA, CDC, USDA and the EPA are just a few that he manipulated and slashed budgets to meet his agenda. I hope that President-elect Obama can fix the destruction that was caused to this country. And before everyone starts yelling about welfare, I'm talking about agencies that were designed for the health and safety of our citizens.

Too bad Republicans don't seem to get the idea of UNITY.....the Dems gave it them after 9/11,

Debbie,what unity was there after the close election of Bush in 2000.It was divisive and none productive and actually emboldened our enemy's to be able to strike us .

I only hope they are not looking at us as weak again.

I told you so.

The GOP made up the "Democrats want to repel the 2nd amendment" tactic around the same time they came up with the religion angle.  It's only a scare tactic to get votes.

It's actually the Democrats that protect the citizen's rights.  The erosion of civil and constitutional rights in the last 8 years should have proven that to you.

The US never had a problem with the UN until they tried to stop the Bush administration from invading Iraq.  That's when the US starting stomping on the UN.

But the UN was correct.  Iraq was not a threat to the US and we should have never invaded their country.  And that's why the UN was developed; to keep countries from invading other countries.

$5 Trillion and 4,000 lives later I'm surprised to see that Americans are still not able to see the whole picture.

The founding fathers established the 2nd amendment to protect us from tyranny. Domestic tyranny. 200 years ago, hell even a 100 years ago, it was a great guarantee that the govt could not turn on it's own citizens. The army had machine guns and cannons, and that was about it.

Today this jazz about guns insuring democracy is no longer a valid argument. I wish it was, but reality is reality.

Today, the Army has tanks, Strikers, MRLS, artillery, aircraft...on and on... so, unless a sizable portion of the armed forces sided with the people against the govt, should the govt ever turn on us like the Alex Joneses of the world claim they will, the people would just be toast.

I'm sure Victor Romero in Arizona loved his guns too.  Unfortunately, his 8 year old son killed him.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/11/09/america/Child-Charged-Optional.php

Well Tom that makes you out to be a moron. You work for a man who has made no bones about being an anti-gun nutcase. Now that your hero has the power you HOPE everything will be OK. Maybe you can be one who goes down with your gun in your cold dead hand but I think you will be one to give it up as soon as your hero demands the 2nd admendment be ignored.

And LU-404506, if you believe the UN has ever been right about anything then you also are a moron. Ask the millions in Africa who have been slaughtered under the protection of the UN if that fine agency cqn do anything other than collect money and make itself rich. Also if you believe the Democratic party has ever protected the rights of citizens, then you are living in a dream world. The dumocratic party is now made up of communists and socialists that believe you cannot take care of yourself and need the government to wipe you hiney and feed your baby. Wake up before this great nation becomes another welfare state like Europe and where we have to be careful of what we say in order not to offend a muslim.

Moo, a poll taken of active military said 94% will not act against American citizens inside these borders.

Moo- look at the result when a force (Viet-Cong, IRA, etc.) poorly armed and trained but highly motivated faces a superior force not so motivated.

Assult rifel/

yes the Chinese can occupy us and every one of us all 300million man for man and still leave 1billion people home

so a gun in a citizens hand here is just like one in IRAQ

"ITS OPEN SEASON ON THE OCCUPIERS"

Viet Nam same deal Kickin but easy what to do with butts NOT!!

I volunteered for the Obama campaign and I support him. 

I cross my fingers, and hope.

Well, Tom, a little "buyer's remorse"?

I wonder how many others there are out there just like you. 

J.

How about the $860 billion of our taxes that he wants to give to the UN to distribute to Africa for their education, did you agree with that part? He said that too, but CNN, CNBC, ABC, CBS, and NBC never told you about that.

Did you agree with the fact that they tried to brainwash the Mexican community by airing the democrats National convention on the Mexican tv stations but not the Republican convention (I am a Mexican). Russia, North Korea, China, Iran, etc., etc. do this to control their populace. Oh,  CNN, CNBC, ABC, CBS, and NBC never told you about that either.

Look these facts up for yourself.

They will probably try to shut me up or check my files (just like Joe the plumber after he dared to question the one) to see if I owe the IRS or child support.

Get used to it for at least 4 years.

Patriot.........you're right and the Cubans in Miami kept telling people in this country that Castro did the same thing and made the same promises.

Well, being an Ohio resident, I can tell you that our Democratic governor Ted Strictland ordered the Joe The Plumber be investigated after he dared to ask Obama a question that did shine his halo.  Strictland is kissing a.. because he wants to be a Senator!!  I didn't vote for him last time and I sure won't next time.  Strictland has done absolutely zilch for Ohio and our roads are falling apart but the tax money collected expressedly for road repairs isn't being used that way at all.

We do not need a civilian service unit........we have the Natioanl Guard.......it was Clinton who cut our Army to pieces and Obama who thinks he can cut it more.  Let's just let him bare our asses for his muslim buddies to move in and take over.  Oh, you say he's not a Muslim........sucker!  He said it in a taped interview "I am a Muslim" in the same interview he said the most wonderful sound he ever heard was the Muslim call to prayer being sung daily! 

You voted for a Muslim and you are going to regret it.  What have you done to your children's right of freedom?  Do you think they won't go into the schools and start teaching our young these views when they have already made promises of money for education.  What kind of education?  In the part of Indonesia Obama was raised in it is mandatory that ALL school teach Muslim..........even the Catholic school is required to teach courses in Muslim Religion as well.  So, now, think about your new president you voted for..........he said "Oh, I went to Catholic School"  His classmates said he recited the Koran in front of class at the Catholic School which is a right reserved for only the most devoted Muslims.

Tom Joad,

Good to talk to you sir.  Did you know any of these nasty little secrets/rumors abot Obama?  Or were you just lulled to sleep?  Did you do any research before helping him? 

Last:  I find your comments offensive.  Not to mention untrue and bigoted toward those who practice the muslim faith.

There are millions of Muslims living in our country -- Citizens of our nation... no different than you or me.  Raising families, going to work, contributing to society.  There are muslims that are in Iraq and Afghanistan as a part of our Army fighting for YOUR freedoms right now.  There are muslims who have DIED in these wars for your freedom of speech that you just exercised to attack them.  

I am completely sick and tired of this nastiness surrounding the muslim faith. It is a very peaceful religion with a few nut jobs who interpret the koran differently (just like some nut jobs interpreting the bible differently)

Obama is NOT a muslim, but if he was, why is that a problem?  Is there a line in the job description of the POTUS that states that you cannot be of any religion other than Christianity?  Does the first amendment of our constitution not give us the freedom of practicing religion?  ANY religion? 

Not all muslims are RADICAL muslims just as not all Christians are RADICAL christians (you know the ones who wear white sheets and lynch those not like themselves?  or those who bomb abortion clinics? -- I consider these Christians terrorists too...). 

Only a very small number of muslims hold these radical beliefs, yet you are willing to demonize an entire religion based on a few  (very very terrible) groups.  Shame on you.  

I wish people would educate themselves before opening their mouths.

That's the only thing about BO's platform that you don't like?  Can you say "CULT?" 

VC22

you need to go watch 'Telefon'.  great primer about sleeper agents and the like, can easily be applied to sleeper cells.

Huh?  You want me to watch a 30-year-old ACTION MOVIE to get information?  Honestly, I don't even know how to respond to that....

Thanks, but I'll stick to books for information and movies for entertainment.

VC22, do you think William Ayers is a terrorist?

Last - please don't give Ohio a black eye by saying stupid stuff.

DD050......Then how do you explain that they voted for Obama????  They gave themselves the black eye.  I am sorry for your economy.  But honestly, didn't Clinton's NAFTA do you in???  I thought Ohio was a Christian state.....not a bunch of welfare receipients.  

R - in case ya didn't notice, Obama won by majority.  Most of my family had to leave Ohio due to it becoming a rust belt state, starting like 30 years ago.  Reagan sucked.  So what if Ohio is a Christian state?  Even more reason to vote for Obama, since he is not a divisive right wing nut.  You got the wrong location on the welfare receipients - those are all over on Wall Street.  Well, them, and GM pretty soon - how do you like old Georgie's tax bill?  Enjoy.

DDO50  I like George's tax cuts.  It was the Dem's in Congress that took a big bite out of my family. 

You do make a valid point, that more companies should be privately owned.  I worked for a company in Solon, Ohio....that was privately owned, never put on the stock market.  They always faired well even in economic down turns.

LU-404506 you are wrong.

The Supreme Court of the United States narrowed upheld the individual right to bear arms this past summer by ONE vote in a 5-to-4 decision regarding "well regulated militias".

Obama will likely appoint TWO justices in his term, and by default overturn the 2nd amendment.  He may not have this as a public agenda, but he will be the enabler.

DD50, you would be incorrect on OB winning the majority of Ohio. He won the votes of the welfare recipients in the major cities. The map I saw of the liberal media site MSNBC, the state was red with the few blue spots like Cincinnati, Cleveland, etc.

vc,

you obviously cannot make a connection.  in telefon, sleeper agents were planted until needed.

same applies with sleeper cells today. witness the fort dix six, and others.

LU-404506 Regarding your comment #5.1

"The US never had a problem with the UN until they tried to stop the Bush administration from invading Iraq.  That's when the US starting stomping on the UN."

I think perhaps you are in error on this one.  If you check, the US has had ongoing problems with the UN pre-dating the Korean War.  There been a variety of issues ranging from who should represent China, to you name it.  So I would say, perhaps it would be more correct so say that in the time you can remember the US never had a problem with the UN...  That may be a stretch because there were issues related to FRY and the Peace Plan for Serbia in 1999 with more disputes to follow, the fight over several issues in Lebanon.  I think there were also some terrible disputes over the issue of Palestine and the State of Israel (might be too early).  I could go on but I think you get the point.  I concede there might be some inaccuracies in the above, since I did it from recall.  I am fairly certain it is essentially correct.  You should research it; it is a very interesting topic.  I wish I had more time to do so.

sir you are a lunatic, why would you need an assault weaponfor? are you planing to overthrow the government. we are a democracy, we vote, at least some of us. now you called a woman a dumb blonde, it seem to me that you are a sick man are a fool, which one are you sir.

No kidding!!

There is nothing that Obama could do that would be worse than the last 8 years.

And at least Obama knows the law.  Apparently no on in the Bush administration felt that the little details like THE LEGALITY of their actions were important.

The fact that he knows the law makes him more dangerous should he choose to use the power, on the other hand it could also make his more sympathic to the people should he choose not to abuse the power.  I would say so far its not looking good, yet i am still optumistic.

Hey 11, what liberties did you lose? If you lost any liberty I have to believe you are a terrorist. So, which is it, terrorist, or tell us what liberty you lost. Go ahead...

harvSr that's the liberty he is referring to right there, Bush's Your either for us or against us crap, and if you dare criticize the government which is an American freedom and right you Must be with "them" and a terrorist, YOUR kind of closed minded quick to judge attitude  is what we want to be free of havSr

LU, what actions of the Bush administration were illegal?

There is nothing that Obama could do that would be worse than the last 8 years.

This is where I "cross my fingers and hope".

J.

Let's start with warrantless wire taps.  We were told that they were only listening to foreign nationals on the phones, then came that they were listening to American citizens overseas phone calls, then came word they were listening to calls that originated and terminated inside the United States.

The liability issue worried the telecoms enough that they basically forced the government to guarantee them immunity against any lawsuits filed by American citizens.  The telecoms knew our rights were being violated.

How about secret courts?  How about Guantanamo?  How about the gov't can "just say" that your crime is terrorism  related and you can be held for an unlimited time without access to an attourney or your family?  We are a country of due process, at least we used to be.

And Obama is a Nazi?  So what say you to the present administrations tactics?  Say the only thing you can say, there hasn't been an attack on this soil since 911.  Guess that would be the evil doers testing the mettle of a president in his first term. 

All the signing statements?  The laws passed by congress are fine for you and I but there's no reason the leader of the free world should be held to them?  Yeah, you worry about what Obama might do - I'm worried about what the present administration has already done - they pointed us down a slippery slope...

I agree that argument is a "false choice" logical fallacy argument- But um.. But I believe the question was what liberties did you lose under the Bush admin?  How many people do you know personally that ended up in Gitmo or Guantanamo Bay?  On top of that, liberals do the same thing.  They believe if someone didn't vote for Obama the Savior, they must be fans of GW.  WRONG!  Like me thy just don't trust burnished, smooth talking, erudite, snake oil salesmen who is enamored with class warfare and socialist doctrines.

35 illegal acts by the bush administration. Brought to the attention of congress in the last two years twice, for impeachment proceedings, but Bushes bitch, Pelosi, shot them down.

Bush has done nothing BUT violate National and International law over and over again.

I for one believe in the elctoral process. Go President Obama, the MAJORITY put you in office by a MANDATE! WE support you, OUR PRESIDENT ELECT!

Kevlar,  I personally do not know, but is that really the point?  The question was what liberties were lost and I named a few.  I do not have to experience the issues myself to lose them. 

Should there be actions taken against gun laws under Obama, I, personally will have not lost anything, but that does not mean there wouldn't liberties lost by someone somewhere.  Plenty of folks are crying foul over this already and the man doesn't take office until January.

Americans lost liberties under Bush period.  Whether or not I was personally affected is of no consequence, I could have been as could have you.  Can you without hesitation say that any phone call or email you made or sent in the last couple of years was not listened in on or read.

Remember "then they came for me and there was no-one left to speak up" (or something close to that).  I will speak up for others now and hopefully it won't get to me, or you.  I'll stand up for your rights and liberties regardless of your political persuasion, it's the American thing to do - to deny that these things have not taken place is irresponsible.

Obama will be gone in 4 years. His policies will prolong this recession and maybe cause a depression. Like Clinton he will diminish our military strength by cutting military spending and he will increase all of our taxes (Social Security and Income) as he is raising the Social Security Tax and all workings Americans pay that tax. A college study just released has said the New Deal program extended the recession by 7 years and Obama and the Dems have said they favor New Deal Style Programs for us. TheMajor  Media outlets will not report the bad news to you for the next 4 years as they are the one's that swayed your opinions purposely to vote for Obama. The Dems are trying to pass regulations to stifle the media that speaks against their views (Sounds like a dictatorship to me).

Ron-H, There has also been reports that Joe McCarthy really was a great guy. History can be manipulated any way a person wants to present it.

Social Security is an obligation to seniors that must be paid - they've been paying into it for years, and they are expecting a check. It, and Medicare, are close to running out of funds.  How is ANY prez to pay for that, do ya think?  It's why they call SS the "third rail of politics", and I predict, by the time I am ready to draw - in 15 or so years, that by then, only those "poor seniors" will be getting anything, and that won't be my and mine. 

As far as the military goes, they can't cut back and bring soldiers home fast enough to suit me.

There already is a civilian force.It's called homeland security.

Oh, don't worry about social security. The democrats in Congress have already found a way to re-fund social security. They are going to first take away the tax benefits of our 401(k)'s and then they're going to do us the favor of stealing our money, putting it into social security, and paying us 3% annually on that amount, and that is what they will decide to send us a check from. Aren't the dems great?

I don't have a big issue with paying SS and Medicare to take care of our elderly citizens, but I'll be darned if I'll pay it to care for the illegal immigrants that need to be shipped back to where they came from.  I realize that the US is a nation of immigrants, but if they are not here legally, then they should not be getting ANYTHING from our government.  The citizens of the US should not have to work our butts off just so our money can go to programs for people that do not contribute in anyway to our society.  Let them go back to their own countries and put their hands out to their own government.  If they want to be here, let them do it legally and let them speak English and let them contribute to society by working and paying taxes like other citizens.

Instead Obama wants to give them all a handout from funds that are already depleted.  There are American citizens that have children they can't feed and he wants to give our tax money to non-citizens.  It's time for America to start looking out for it's own.  Stop feeding the children of foreign countries and feed our own.  Stop fighting other country's wars for them and start caring for the people within our own borders.  Bring our soldiers home and we won't need a civilian force to protect our citizens. 

With our nation is such debt to foreign countries, it's time that the American government pulls back our foriegn aide and gets itself back on our feet financially.  We can not continue down this road of debt and succeed as a nation.  We must look to our own house and clean it up before we can help others clean up theirs.

By the sound of the left, if I criticize Obama, then I MUST be for McCain.  I see George Bush has got you trained.  The world is not a simple dichotomy of ideas.  GWB was the worst thing that could have happened to America ( except maybe the importation of slaves ).  Throw NEOconservatism in the trash and bring back the real thing.

these idiots can't believe that mr bush took the country to the brink of marxism and dictator ship than ever, but he is white. and that is all right.

he did not have enough sense to realize that Mr bush was trying to be king bush, cw404933 wants to keep his gun, the time for him to use them was the last eight years, but we have a democracy, we can vote for those we want in office, so don't be an idiot.

I agree that Bush and Congress wrongly took away some of our rights.  Let's hope that Obama restores these rights instead of acting to take more of them.  And if he tries to take more rights, lets see if those Obama supporters are with me and vocally object. 

Your first test will be with the so-called Fairness Doctrine.  Will you step up and criticize democrats if they attempt to pass this blatantly anti-1st amendment legislation?

Your second test will be when democrats attempt to ignore the 2nd amendment and pass anti-gun laws, or to tax the hell out of ammunition as a way to circumvent the 2nd amendment by making it virtually impossible for citizens to afford to operate a firearm.  Will you step up and criticize your government then?  Or will you sit in silence because it is YOUR party that is taking constitutional rights away from your fellow citizens?

Remember, if you remain silent when constitutional rights that you don't agree with are taken, the government will eventually get around to ones that you DO care about.

We pay legislators (with our taxdollars) to represent us and to follow the Constitution.  We did not hire them to become dictators and rulers and to search for ways to get around the Constitution.  Regardless of political party.

EXCUSE ME ! I think the last time I heard was that the 3rd Inf Div. was an ACTIVE MILITARY UNIT , NOT national guard ! I could be wrong cause everything changes like  the growing pile of @!$%# that GWB is leaving behind !

the national guard is state comtroled. for it to be federalized takes an act of congress.

National Guard units across the nation are on "Active Alert" due to the fact that we have two wars currently going on. They are, unfortunately for the members, not cosidered active duty. My father, a 27 year veteran of both the Marines and Army, was an Armor mechanic who helped conduct battle situations in Fort Knox using Bradley Tanks and Howitzers. He referred to the National Guard as the Army's janitors seeing how they removed the targets after rounds demolished them.

I don't think Obama was talking about the National Guard:

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

The National Guard has been sent to Iraq,  in case you haven't noticed

From what I have read, the National Guard is stretched very thin and being used overseas.  What would we do if something happened here?  Call back the National Guard?  I bet that wouldn't happen.

Better hope that they do not use BLACKWATER ! They remind me ( from history ) like that of Hitler's SS Troops !

Even the MILITARY is not suppose to be ABOVE THE LAW!

Blackwater was setting up in the outlands of San Diego, and their "neighbors" weren't too happy about it.

Of course you can and do hunt with semi-automatic weapons. And we have been doing so for over 100 years.

Badasie,

I agree with most parts of your comment but I disagree with your Redneck label: A man should not be judged by the color of his neck, but by the content of his character.  (...Say what?)

That being said, I find it sad to think that this congressman has been elected by a majority in his state.

It is not often you get to read something of substance in these article,but this was truly one we all should pay close attention to. We as Americans need to stop this childish bickering and see the truth....America is one of the most racist countries in the world.We cannot make on our on so we begin to step on others to make ourselves look great and powerful...This is the American heritage that we as a people continue embrace,it is not the one we need, but the one continue to use.Come on....white and black stop the hatred............give this man the opportunity you gave Bush...no one is after him after all the ill he has produced in the world.....Under his watch we a now the most hated country in the world...even our allies hate us as well as being embarrassed that they are associated with us.........let there be freedom for all of us...not just a few

Mo - well said, but when idiots like the guy in Georgia start saying such obscenely ridiculous stuff, well, people get mad.  I'll bet that twit got an avalanche of mail/email today.

DD5Q   You are brain washed!!!  You don't know your history.  You don't know the issues!!!  You don't know anything about politics!!!  And you don't know your Bible!!!

I believe Jesus is coming.  He will clean all this muck up.  But, in the mean time....don't be stupid. 

Ha ha ha - You all better hope Jesus does not come, you'll be the first in line for judgement.  Sorry, I do not believe in all the stuff in the bible, written more than a hundred years after Jesus died, and selectively put together by the rabbis/priests of the day.  Don't be stupid?  Wow, how Christian of you, I feel so much better now to have been enlightened - not.

Badasie: You have your illiterates in your party as well.

However, we do NOT know if Obama is muslim...we do know that he has muslim roots. He was born in Hawaii, but Obama was NOT raised in the United States. Most of his growing up years were in Indonesia. He did begin his education in Hawaii, and it had just been made a state. Before that it was a territory of the United States.

It is not whether or not he is a Muslim that troubles most of us. Neither is it where he grew up that troubles us. It is his associations...who he was attracted to. Where his ideas came from. And from everything we're able to find out, his ideas came from such people as William Ayres, an American domestic terrorist. I am shocked that we are allowing this criminal to teach in our schools, to further his ideaology in young minds.

I want to be comfortable with Barack Obama, but I'm sorry, he hasn't even attempted to allay the fears of a whole lot of Americans. He made this statement, and he has made the statement in his own book that he hung out with Marxists. That is enough for most people to be uncomfortable.

Badasie-

It's got absolutely NOTHING to do with race.  Why is it all the black people want to say that the reason a lot of people don't trust this man is because of the color of his skin?  Good grief!  I don't care if he's purple with pink polka dots, it does not change what he's promised, the statements he's made or what he wrote in his book.  It does not change his background or his beliefs, which are not in the country's best interest.  Some of us actually care about what happens in our country.  We don't want it run into the ground any more than it already is. We don't want to live with a Nazi wannabe in office.  We care about our Constitutional rights and freedoms.

I do not care for Bush or what he's done to our nation, but feel it could have been worse.  I am not a Republican.  However, Obama has made too many public statements that do not bode well for the US and point to him attempting to turn America into a Socialist country.  This is not what we need or want.   If this happens, we may as well all pack our bags and go to Canada.

Unfortunately for the America, our choices were far too slim during this election.  McCain was not the right man to run against Obama, but many, including me, felt he was the lesser of two evils.  Unfortunately, he selected the wrong person as his VP and because of this was unable to defeat Obama.  I'm not saying he would have been the best person for the job, but at least we wouldn't be worrying about our country becoming divided to the point of potential revolution as it appears to be heading towards now.

DD050  You better laugh now while you can.  I used to have a cousin that sounded just like you.  He died a horrible death.  Not bashing you, just telling you the truth.

Is it better to tell someone the truth, & try to help them?  Or is it better to sit silent, as not to offend them?  

Ha ha ha, calling someone stupid is bashing, sorry.  You are funny tho', so much for trying to help - and anyway, "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions".  See, I believe the teaching of Jesus as a good, healing, entity, while you sadly got brainwashed with the ol' "Fire and Brimestone" nonsense of an avenging God - which I put right up there with the Muslims as sanctimonious. 

I actually try to be helpful and kind, but a sinner as was Jesus, sometimes I fail.  Oh well.  And maybe it is better to be silent if you are beating your head against the wall, I think - my brother got on the holy roller machine, he has been sucked in to some southern brand of fringe religion - but now he and I agree to disagree.  Religion is off limits to he and I, to keep the peace.

To Chuck-295246,

Fear is a powerful tool for those who manipulate

Fear and paranoia have often been used as the main tools to keep us in line:

• The fear of God(s) armed with "extreme weapons of mass destruction" such as brimstone, Hell, calamities, Armagedon etc. 
• The fear of Eternal Damnation: After death, if you have been bad, God will torture you for the "remainder" of eternity.
• The fear of conjured up enemies: "The boogeyman is out to get us.", "Who is that guy?" "Who is he really? Hmmmmn..."
• The demonizing of those that are different from us - This has been the most prevalent and most despicable tool in human history.

This sad list could go on and on.  

Yet there are some beautiful transcendental substitutes for this monster called Fear: Compassion as in seeing life through thy neighbour's eyes; a taste for Good for goodness sake; an unhibited love of what is positive. The simple will to build instead of to destroy etc.

This positive attitude does not imply seeing life through rose-colored glasses. I am not a naive Utopian who will hesitate to knock your head off if you cross me - but I will certainly not knock your head off as a "Preventive measure". But i will not hold, without objective scrutiny(...), our cultural differences against you. But I will not give credit to speculations on your possibly bad intentions unless - or until - given proof.

A question nags at me: Does that make me a Democrat?

Yes, pity the ignorants who refuse to even entertain the possibility that something could be about to happen right under their noses. When it happens, how do you stop it? The German people didn't know how, because by then it was already happening. But they could have stopped anywhere along the line. You have to have an awareness to do such a thing.

are you talking about overthrowing the government, if you are that would be treason sir. in this country we have a process, it is called the vote dummie, put your guns a way and let your mind go to work. we are the best country in the world and you talk like you are unhappy with it. (move)

Yeah but what follows trying this takeover is impeachment and all these Dems, thinking they've been dealt from the bottom again, will take to the streets.

You may be right Curious Bob, but there's nothing wrong, and everything right with letting our representatives know right here and now to leave our constitution and our rights alone. After the liberals ram thier legislation through, it will be too late to organize.

prove the credibility of his race? what does that mean?

mean - That means that this guy has elected Obama to be the honorary representive of the ability of all persons of African descent to do a good job.  (I know, that was a retorical question, but I'll go with it.)  Wow, huh?  Bet Obama didn't know he'd get saddled with that too. 

Sadly, the economy sucks so bad, Obama will likely last 4 years, like poor ol' Jimmy Carter, from Georgia.  Guess that Georgia repug still isn't over that?  Too bad the politicians like him drove off moderate voters from the Republican party - he and his right wing nuts can just keep losing, until they get an attitude adjustment.

I will be a whole lot more comfortable if we leave in place enough Republicans and independents with an American bent, to keep the dem/libs in check. So far they have the 51 needed for a simple majority in the Senate, but they can't get the 60 needed to prevent a filibuster. Those are the tactics that were used by the dem/libs for the last 12 years to prevent Republicans from accomplishing what they wanted. Democrats don't want to work WITH Republicans, and it was them who invoked this little used rule regarding a majority of 60 to stop a filibuster, when the Republicans attempted to filibuster. The Democrats were in the majority at that time. It never occurred to the Democrats that they could have their own tactics turned on them. So, now we have to be sure that the Republicans have at least 60 in the Senate and we need more in the House.

I'll be very nervous until the next election. Notoriously the party in power loses alot of seat at the mid-term.

But I am very nervous right now because Obama has already expressed a desire to change our Constitution and there are a number of democrats who will be more than happy to accomodate him. It is my great concern that having elected him, we may not be able to get rid of him. Has anyone looked at Bloomberg lately.

CommonYankee, Get a grip. Paranoid delusions will only make you crazier then you already are. You watch Fox don't you? Try laying off the cable news for a while. If anybody actually starts a paramilitary anti citizen organization I'll join you in the fight, until then try leaving in reality for a while. Right now you are a very lonely fool.

When you verbally(?) abuse your adversary, you convince few and alienate most.

@ TTTM, Do I watch FOX ? NOPE ! Cable news ? NOPE ! Better you look in your own frigging back yard dip@!$%# !

If your so frigging smart at the mouth, Tell us PARANOID FOOLS, How BLACKWATER came about and why over a period of less then 6 months, AMERICA has what is now known as MERCENARIES on it's very own soil !

Tell all of us here WHY AMERICA needs a PRIVATE HEAVILYARMED SECURITY FORCE that is comprised of EX-AMERICAN SERVICEMEN ? Don't even come back with a @!$%#ed up excuse that using US TROOPS for security takes them away from there original duties ! Don't even go there @!$%# ! Those same EX-AMERICAN SERVICEMEN that BLACKWATER uses, they have no QUALMS about shooting other AMERICANS !

ME, PARANOID ? NAH, am just a realist and a PATRIOTIC AMERICAN that dislikes @!$%#s like you that sit on your fat ass and waste my tax dollars so someone else can get rich and live in HOG HEAVEN !

man take some prozac or something.

logdump, I've listened to your side & you've listen to mine.  Do you see how divided everyone is in this country???  How in the world did Tom Dashel ever think this country was ready for a black president?  How did they ever think we wouldn't ask questions about: his character???  his courage???  his honesty???  his sexuality???  his birth certifcates???  his ideology???  His American hating wife???

Garrsssshh!!!  Logdump I could write a list long as my arm about question that Obama refusses to answer.....What kind of president is that?  Especially in these wicked times. 

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the color of Obama's skin. I've voted for black people before...it is his ideas that I'm worried about, not whether he's black or yellow or white. He is an American and meets all the criteria to win election. He was duly elected and as long as he governs by our Constitution, he is my President. I just don't want him to govern by all the political favors he owes.

But he doesn't want to govern by our Constitution... he wants to change it to suit his needs.

I have a pacifier I could send him, my 2 year old g/grandson no longer needs  it. He out grew it.   Maybe this congressman with his infantile  pouting and blame could sit in the corner with the pacifier in his mouth.  First he would be calmed down, secondly he could not rant, rave and spew his scare tactics with the pacifier in his mouth.  Always seems like the losers have the loudest voice with the most outrageous misinformation.  I was very young during WWII but, I remember the Civil Defense, remember having to pull down our shades to keep the inside lights from being seen outside.  Curfews, etc.  I felt safe knowing that we had the CD  looking out for our safety.  My Dad was in service so it was just my mother and brother and myself and I can tell you honestly I did not resent the curfew, shades pulled and all else.  Most of all did not feel and still do not feel that it was a Gestapo tactic.  Felt it was  to keep us safe.  And I say thank you to these men and women who belonged to the CD, years much too late to tell them in person, but the thank you is still there.

The Congressman just told the American people what BO, himself, said.  Why is so terrible that someone dare to tell the American people this.  The Congressman didn't talk about a new form of police.  BO did.  Why can't you culters just watch and listen to what you leader said?  Is it that hard to believe you were fooled?  You continue to attack anyone who question "the one."  Just look at the facts.  BO gave the speech not the Congressman.  We need our leaders to step up and inform us of what is being said and what our other leaders are doing.  I for one want more transparency.

It's one thing to repeat a statement, and disagree.  It's quite another to start making comparisions to Hitler, duh.

Be very careful who you call paranoid idiots.

It's ok Jack. When the time comes, the people who WILL stand up to the next attempt against the US citizen will need plenty of fodder to protect them. Most of this board seems like they wish to volunteer to be that fodder. A very smart person once told me...

"Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean I'm NOT being followed".

Many rodents, like the fodder above, can be found in the middle of the road. But when was the last time you saw a fox get run over?????

Besides, we don't need his "force"....the great Messiah is mistaken....we already have it. It's called Federal Civil Defense, which got turned into FEMA, which got steered into something called "Homeland Security".

As a matter of fact everything he did with his life was lauadable until he opposed me! That made him a jerk forever.

More Cognac!

Service aside, his paranoid dementia needs to be delt with in the here and now.

Georgia we've got a problem!!

This is the US congress? Another failing Empire.

Empires come and Empires go rideing the crest GREAT wipeing out not so great!!

US congress has a problem when this guy "repeats" what Obama said?

If one were to really look for idiots in the House, one would not have to look any further than Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi.....you guys in Massachusetts are the epitome of ignorance.

Good point, Willy.  As our last election shows, the brilliantly educated "blue state" citizens are migrating by the droves into nearby red states.....why?  Because they can no longer afford to LIVE in their blue-state "utopias."  They elect people like Frank & Pelosi...and Obama?....who lead them into economic failure. 

The democratic party is a joke...but a really bad one.  They get on their soapboxes and preach their causes to all of us in the "fly-over" states...hoping to "enlighten" us so that we, too, can tax and government-mandate ourselves to the point of economic disaster.  I wonder how long it will be before Nevada finds itself in the same financial crisis as their "fantasy-land" neighbor, California? 

There is a GREAT divide in this country and Obama is no more capable of uniting us than George Bush was.  The leftists love to preach tolerance to the right - and yet, when one reads these posts, it's clear they simply cannot tolerate those who do not agree with them.  In fact, there seems to be a general consensus among democrats on these forums that the only solution to our country's problems is to silence any conservative opposition.  They label conservatives as crazy, religious fanatics, and "haters" who are dangerous to our society.  How ironic - the haters spewing hate speech at the haters they accuse of hate speech.  

One thing is for sure, our corrupt, elected politicians represent all too well the utter stupidity of the majority of our population.  Not only do they keep us divided, they relish it. 

The changes that he makes don't necessarily have to be called naziism to be naziism. Just as how he defines communism, doesn't necessarily have to be called communism to be communism. Spreading the wealth, creating special armies that answer only to him, changing our constitution because it doesn't speak to black people, and a number of other statements made by him in speeches and in his book, are enough to worry many of us.

Hook, line, and sinker, eh?

Well, as it happens, I have a few bridges to sell you...

Cracker ??

Hmm, so who starts using the racism? Can i replay with ........... ? no, I could but will not.

I feel the same way about the term redneck. Liberals can say whatever they want, conservatives should be bound and gagged. sounds like far left policy to me.

what concerns me most is the notion that the new civilian corp will be needed for post war duty. Post war?? huh?? Let's get real crazy and say they are needed when Planet X visits in 2012.

He made it very clear that he was not calling Obama a Nazi or Hitler, but those of you left wingers never read the story you just glimpse at it and pick out what you wanted. What he is saying, is...he is warning you that Obama' ideas could easily be taken one step further and that even if Obama means well, his actions would the first steps towards the kind of Government Hilter installed. Using a National Security Force. If he gets to that point, it would no doubt be bloody if the people had to take back the government from despots or dictators. Our Constitution clearly tells us that sometimes we need to throw out the government and start new. If that happens and a standing army is amoung us we are screwed.

Yea but the left wingers are JUST as crazy as the right wingers... Only a sensible dose of moderation will save this country.

I don't back any one man to the point of giving them a blank check like the republicans did with Bush and like the democrats will do now with Obama. Patriot Act was a HORRIBLE idea and so is this National Security Force.

The partisan drivel and the drones that play will only make things worse.

Don't count the Republican party out yet. They are finally getting back to their roots....

Which roots are those?

Idiots are not regulated by race!

Its hard to make the adjustment but alot of white people voted for the black guy.

But some 50 million are probably still addicted to raceism its hard to 4get wat u lernt all ur lif?

Gotta a wet towel for my burnt neck?

Ed... with your 50 million number, are you implying that those that voted for McCain are racist? How moronic is that??? Disagree and you are a racist... brilliant!

Jack - where were you when Wall Steet flushed peoples' 401Ks?  Bailed out the banks/financials (who will be giving their managers a bonus - but "reduced")?  Sent American kids to Iraq (what a crime)? Sent a 3rd package of cash to AIG? Set up Homeland Security and wiretapping?  Said they'd ok torture?  Every right wing nut in the land sat on their hands, while others cried out for justice - albeit without anything being done.  Until now.  And while I was a registered Republican since age 17, I would not have voted in a Repug this year for even dog catcher.  Now we will see how the federal deficit has reached $10 TRILLION dollars, and Social Security/Medicare is not even saved - they are running out of funds.  You can gripe all you want about the prez, we all do, but George Bush and his cronies did nothing to stop the global trainwreck of easy money.  (Casino, as some say, and that's about it.) 

And for all that racist stuff, it's about socio-economics now.  Poor whites vs. richer whites have always had the same ol' labels - redneck, cracker, poor white trash, ridge runner, stump-jumper, sorry if I left anyone out.  People, white, with a heavy Southern accent have trouble being employed in business, and it's not fair - and all I can say is, if you care, go to a speech therapist.

DD50

To be fair, the prolbems in this country have been in motion since before and through the Clinton administration. Republicans AND Democrats alike are to blame and just about EVERYONE in congress should be tossed out for either doing the wrong things, or not trying to do the right things.

Well, true, Mr. - I'd like to see term limits for Congress.  But if these right wing nuts want to blame Obama for stuff before he is even sworn in as prez - what the heck, Shrub is fair game.  And really, after 8 years, he has to take a good portion of the blame - doing nothing, is what his plan seemed to be.

The problem is that he had so very many accusations and so much denigration by so called Americans, that I think he has gotten even. In the last year, and most especially in the last few months, he is giving us what you asked for. We are ripe for the picking for a socialist to come along and take over the entire government. You don't believe it...just watch and see.

His idea is to build the economy from the bottom up....which means that the opportunities to become rich and live well in this country will simply mean that we will all now be poor, but equal. People who don't pay taxes will now receive monies from those of us who do. The do nothings will do even less because they might blow their check. The government now owns a stake in most of our larger businesses, and all of our major banks. It would be very simple to simply not allow them to buy their stocks back. After all, the dem/libbers resent anyone more successful than them anyway. Why not find a way to keep business down, while making the do nothings rich.

When business up and takes their businesses out of this country, there will be no jobs. Our Government will be running the businesses in this nation, and they won't do it well. Those who do nothing will collect a check, and the youngest of us will be bled dry for their ideas and their work, until they don't want to work either. There will be shortages on food, shortages on gasoline and oil, disallowance of oil, we'll be cold, poor and hungry. And then you'll all be happy...and we will no longer be a power in the world.

Jack Baum: I agree with what you have said. It drives me bonkers that all of a sudden now the "C" word is being used repeatedly when I've rarely heard it in the past.

In general this whole thing makes me laugh because all these people are riled up and divided. Some say to shut it; others say Americans will fight!

Americans will be too busy shooting at each other to pay attention to what any actual "organized civilian group" might be doing. People in general are too busy hating each other over the color of their skin and whether or not they have the "same" religion.

FYI to all you religious ones. Allah is Arabic for GOD; so when you bash Allah you're actually bashing God...good luck with that. Before you start to argue: 1) I know a little something about the topic 2) LOOOOOOOOOOK IT UP and 3) if you got this far and still think I'm wrong, realize -- please --- it's not worth your time to try and tell me I'm wrong.

Want another example? Archangel Gabriel in Arabic is Jibril -- its a freaking language barrier. I highly suggest that you get over yourselves.

There might be some 'fanatics' out there that are (or claim to be) Islamic or Muslim but how is that any different than in the United States or anywhere else? Have ya'll been to the "Bible Belt" lately? Have you forgotten what good Christians did to the Native American people? Don't even get me started.

The point is America will NEVER -- and I mean NEVER -- with stand a hostile government take over because the people as a whole are too egotistical to EVER let anyone else been in charge.

So even if they could get past skin color, sexual orientation AND AND AND "religion" or faith you're still screwed. (Yes I'm American but I answer to a higher power; that's the only one I care to keep happy.)

Split and divided this country WILL fall. So I suggest taking a look in the mirror and deciding who is going to be the bigger better person; quit slamming other people and spend your time trying to round up those people that are at least INTERESTED in doing what is right.

Another FYI: Jesus isn't coming. Christ is already here. I suggest that you read the Urantia Book 15:9.15; you might be interested to know that the whole reasoning behind what anybody does in an effort to create "one world" is merely to provide the appearance of Unity.

However, they fail to realize that there are people here to view that Unity is not even discernable enough to be seen even as an Illusion.

Oh, wait. That's just one more book to allow people to distort and abuse...so never mind.

I like your post and your knowledge of religion, I think there is a fundamental difference in Muslim belief and Christian. The writers of the Koran place Christ as a prophet not as our Savior. I've not studied the Koran but this is what I've been told.

FYI to all you religious ones. Allah is Arabic for GOD; so when you bash Allah you're actually bashing God...good luck with that. Before you start to argue: 1) I know a little something about the topic 2) LOOOOOOOOOOK IT UP and 3) if you got this far and still think I'm wrong, realize -- please --- it's not worth your time to try and tell me I'm wrong.

Lol....I find it well worth my time to tell you you're wrong.  Allah is not the same "God" written about in the bible.  Seriously, put it in context and don't attempt to chastise the "ignorant" with a false concept.  If you honestly think it's "only a language barrier," your study guides and references should be placed next to the toilet where they would be put to better use.  Maybe one day you will gain the courage to really seek the truth of the matter.  You seem "open-minded," but take care not to be so open-minded that your brain leaks out. 

We should all seek to live our lives in peace and allow others the same opportunity.  Unfortunately, human beings are incapable of it.  We are all imperfect...except One....and we crucified him.  Look it up and let it resonate.

Bullsh1t. You tolerated a Nazi government for 8 years never once saying a frigging word except in support while the sorry traitors in the White House gutted as much of the Constitution as they could. What the frig do you call spying on American citizens , holding an American citizen for 3 years without due process being charged or access to an attorney. I suppose you think spying on American citizens who have not been and never were affiliated with any illegal activity upholds the Constitutional right to privacy. Or that the  2007 bill that Boy George signed that had a provision slid in at the last possible moment that ended the posse comitiatas act is a wonderful affirmation of our rights and guarentees. Or that the suspension of habeus corpus is a great indicator of how wonderfully free these Nazis wish us to be.

 You're just another lying neo-con nazi Repub. You don't give a flying rat's patootie about the Constitution and you never will. Go back to reading Mein Kamph and STFU.

Right on Mr Jack...so don't any of you civil servants come poking around here.

I cannot believe that people in this country, where we have free libraries, public schools, the internet and other sources of infomation, believe that Obama or any President for that matter could become a dictator. The closest thing we to a dictator of late was GW and even he got shot down by Congress and the Supreme Court after he lost all credibility with Iraq.

The Constitution guarantees that the powers be separate. This Georgia Congressperson is either an idiot or just grandstanding to get attention. The sad thing is we have people who believe this nonsense and will run with it because they have no idea what the law permits. This is why we VOTE every 4 years. TO guarantee that NO ONE will EVER have a dictatorship in this country. One reason I voted Obama is we have had Bush's and Clintons for decades. Hell Hillary STILL won't go the hell away!!!!

I guarantee you that Jeb Bush will throw his hat in for President one day. So the system isn't perfect but its still the best one in the world!!

Stop believing fools people. The only way this country will ever have a dictator is if we have a military coup and someone topples the government. That too is far fetched because we are the only country in the world where the citizens are better armed than the military. There are approximately 2.3 million people in the Armed Forces. There are approximately 90 million registered gun owners. So again, if someone wanted to try to take over the country they better have a standing Army of about 100 million or better!!!!! So stop the madness please!!!!

So please. Have a Coke and a smile or better yet Coke and Jack Daniels and chill out people

I take it you mailed back your "Economic Stimulus" cash BJ's? Or cashed the checks and buried the money in your yard? Talk about socialism! No Democrat would politically survive even suggesting such a thing!

Wealth:

Like the taxs go to the American people and not to pay the Sunnies to stop shooting at us?

Thats redistribution I can live with!!

quote:  "National health care, All i will say about this is it sounds great til you look at every country in europe is moving away from it. If you happen to live in canada you can wait 3-6 weeks for a MRI unless you belong to the parliment then you have a private hospital. Ask someone living on a reservation about the Indian health care system."

I get sooo tired of this.  I have lived in Canada most of my adult life, I have relatives that still live in Canada.  We definitely do not wait 3-6 weeks for an MRI.  When these examples are used, they are taken from instances in the poorer sections of Canada, and some of those instances are well over 10 years old.  It would be like using the examples of Emergency rooms in slums of large cities to represent the US's entire health care system.  I can give you more recent and representative examples: my father’s best friend ended his 6 month battle with cancer in a hospice with his entire family around him and the best medical services.  During this time, his family only concerned themselves with his quality of life in the end – never once did they have to be tortured by the prospect of medical bills. When you use a scare tactic, you should fully research it.  There are quite a few people living in Canada that will be there to prove you wrong. 

If you still don't believe that you are falling for false propaganda, I ask you to do the following experiment.  Go to Canada - anywhere  in Canada- and find 10 people at random and say the following, "man, socialized medicine is so bad, don't you wish you had America's  health care system?"  -- Challenge - find one person who does not laugh.

Socialism is not Marxism.  There are many countries around the world that have found success in socializing areas of life that must be protected from greed and corruption (the basic necessities) and privatizing areas that will foster economic growth and the prospect of attainable wealth.  The only view that lacks foresight is one that truly believes that only one system is the best, when history and examples in the present world show that strength comes from a compromise of differing ideals.

SDIrishMom, thank you for a breath of fresh truth!  I always worry about the success of a new president.  I was sad when G.W. Bush was elected, but I did everything in my power to show support for him; give him a chance.

I am most afraid of ignorance and invective in our public dialog.  Almost every post here is based on false assumptions, rabid emotions, and selective belief rather than real study.  The issue of health care is one of the least understood.

As an American citizen, I have been involved in the health care system for years.  I have sat on panels of prominent physicians who state blankly "Our medical delivery system is failing."  Let's just look at one simple fact: President-elect Obama is planning to offer us the choice to join a medical insurance program that covers the U.S. Congress.  Period.  Very simple to understand.

This would be as if you got a new job, and were offered health insurance as part of your benefits package.  It is nothing to be afraid of, and could bring great benefit to many Americans who need health coverage.

Well, some good friends of mine are from Canada and they do say it SUCKS.  When one of their parents needed eye surgery, where did they go to get it?  FLORIDA!  She would have gone blind waiting for it in Canada.  And, they are not poor.  You say that these examples are from the poorer sections of Canada?  I thought nationalized healthcare was supposed to be a good thing for the poor.  You just said in your post that it isn't!  And, the last time I was in London, a show on the BBC was exposing the problems with nationalized healthcare and people's desire to move away from it.  The only thing nationalized healthcare will do is turn my good healthcare to bad!

I have lived in Europe, and their health care is fine. 

You don't see long lines of folks coming here to live from northern Europe.  They live longer, healthier lives, have lower infant mortality rates, and don't know the fear of bankruptcy caused by medical bills.  I don't know anyone there who hasn't gotten treatment needed, and service has been of the highest quality with excellent hygiene and recovery rates. 

The Europeans also have the system set so if you want fancier care, you can buy additional coverage and get it.  They pay less than we do for it all.  One thing they do in Europe, is monitor their delivery systems, and more openly complain when the healthcare system is not operating as it should.  This keeps the system stronger.    I have seen many reports and experienced first hand bad practices here in the US too.  No system is perfect - not ours, not theirs.

So why not set up a system that provides equally good if not better service, costs less, and covers everyone?    Police protection, road maintenance, schools, all are provided by the government as part of a social contract we have drawn up over the years to maintain the common good.  What is wrong with including healthcare in that?    It's not socialism, communism, marxism, or vegetarianism....  It's just good business to get the economies of scale involved to drive down costs. 

Just think how much General Motors and Ford would like to get the cost of employee healthcare off their backs.  If you support American business and want them to recover, reducing their healthcare obligations would be a big help. 

Most people who reject the idea of national healthcare  have never had it.  You never see folks with Medicare saying they don't want it.  That's because it works. 

I can give examples of the faults of the US system as much as you can of Canada's.  When I say examples are from the poorer sections, it is mainly those sections that do not have the tax base to fund a well functioning healthcare system.  If there is one fault of the Canadian system it is that it is not truly federalized (the Swiss system is a truly federalized system).  

When you watch exposes on healthcare systems in Canada and on the BBC you are watching the process in full play.  A properly run nationalized system must be so transparent that any fraud will be called to attention by media or other watchdog groups.  Insurance fraud exists in a privatized system, but many times is quite hidden because the system lacks transparency.  While you may use exposes as an example of a failed healthcare system, I find it an example of citizens watchful of their investment.

There will always be people who go to America to receive healthcare, they will also go to areas in Alberta as well.  This is an example of how two systems can work in concert with each other.  If you have the means to receive the treatment faster or by someone you deem to be more qualified, you certainly can, just pay the price.  If you want it to be free, you may have to wait.

My aunt needed knee surgery and could go to Alberta and get it done right away.  She chose not to and waited until it was her turn and paid nothing.  Her choice.

Let's not kid ourselves, however, there is absolutely no way that the US will move to a nationalized healthcare system.  The largest lobbying firms in the US are the Health Insurance companies; there is no way in the foreseeable future that they would allow a truly nationalized system.

I don't know if you haven't looked lately, but WE don't have a tax base large enough to FUND a nationalized heathcare. But it isn't really about nationalizing healthcare, is it? It's about taking away the decent healthcare that other people have. It's about inflaming jealousy in the minds of the have nots to want to take what the haves have.

What McCain wanted to do was to give a $5,000 check to those who didn't have healthcare to form their own LLC for the purposes of purchasing their own group healthcare. That way there would be no waiting lists and everyone could choose their own doctor. But again, it isn't about that...it's about taking what doesn't belong to you and laughing at the people you're stealing from while you do it.

nkorb1 - obviously you know nothing about this topic.  Let's keep it simple.  Please when you are 65 - refuse Social Security.  It's the same thing as what Obama is proposing.  You hate it.  Don't use it. 

A lot of seniors will though.  You choose your own doctor, no waiting lists, and you take nothing that you haven't paid for throughout your life.  Very simple. I have seen it up close with both of my parents and parent in law.

Regarding funding - if we return our troops home from Iraq - that will provide $10 billion a month to the national coffers.  If we bring the rest of the imperial troops home from everywhere else, that will provide even more.  Surely that will cover much of a health plan.

Well my friend I am a business owner and I have several employees and up until very recently my employees could not afford to contribute to a health insurance plan. The reasons are  simple. First of all when insurance companies find out one is a business owner their rates are higher than they are for individuals. They use various actuarial tables that are different for businesses than they are for individuals. Secondly if one is a small business that has employees that may smoke, are overweight, or have pre-existing conditions, the insurance companies use your employees to determine your rates. In other words instead of using data from say, all dump truck drivers in the US, they will use data from the dump truck drivers from your individual company. This drives up rates dramatically because the pool of potential insured is substantially smaller.

I understand where you are coming from not wanting any handouts and I agree with you in principle and in spirit. But the truth is that unless the government regulates the insurance industry the way they DID NOT regulate the financial industry, we will start seeing more insurance companies, LIKE AIG, fail. They are victims of their own devices. They cherry pick healthy people who have good incomes and insure them because they understand that healthy people use their insurance less than unhealthy people. So if I only get a physical once a year, I only file for one claim a year, the rest of my premiums are "free money" to the insurance companies. Add to that the way they have lobbied to lower their tax rates and you get the idea of how AIG became a trillion dollar company!!

Another little known fact is that that a full 30% of foreclosures in the US are caused by medical bills that people cannot afford to pay. So by doing something about health insurance we will eliminate a full 30% of home foreclosures in the US. This in turn will help the housing industry recover much quicker than if we leave the free market to itself.

We have to change the way we think about healthcare in America. We are the ONLY NATION IN THE INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD that does not cover all of our citizens. I would add that when Medicare and Social Security were first bills introduced to Congress, the Republicans offered the EXACT same arguments. They stated that by offering healthcare and retirement assistance to our children and our elderly, we were marching towards socialism or Marxism. Well 43 years lafter The Social Security Act became law,  we still are a free nation and are wealthier (even in the middle of this recession ) than we were in 1965 when Social Security was introduced.

The truth is that if we don't have a healthy nation, we can't compete with other nations economically. We decry the Japanese because they build cars cheaper, faster and more effciently than we do. Well their government works closely with private industry to make sure they have the funds and tools they need to compete on a global basis. So it isn't luck that is allowing their manufacturing base to survive and even grow in the midst of a worldwide recession while our manufacturing base is on the verge of collapsing.  What Obama is saying is exactly right. We don't need bigger government or smaller government. We need SMARTER more EFFICIENT government that will assist our capitalist society to sustain continued growth.

Um lets see definition of Socialism: "an economic system based on state ownership of capital . "

Ok define Capital: "

So socialism defined is " the governemt owning assets available for the production of further assets, or the government owning wealth in the form of money or property owned by a person or business and human resources of economic value" OR

Government owning a seat of government!!!

Well ok we are moving towards socialism, but the truth is we have been a socialist nation since the Great Depression and never stopped being one. In fact we have been becoming more Socialist all the time. How many Republicans remember that GW signed the "prescription benefits program into law?" So that the government would subsidize prescriptions for seniors to help them out.

Ok how many of us have family members that get SOCIAL security? Key word SOCIAL!!!Oh but "no that doesn't count because we worked for it!" we say. But where on the planet can a person put in approximately 100,000.00 in and get a check for life with annual cost of living raises? No where but in a socialist country!!!!!

What about this? How many of our farmers get government subsidies so we can go to our local Sam's CLub or Food Lion or whatever and be able to buy food?

Not good enough for ya? Ok , how many remember us bailing our Chrysler in the 80's? No ok how about us bailing out Amtrack? hmm

Not old enough to remember that? Ok how about the billions we just gave GM and Chryler so some of our own family members get to keep their jobs? Oh that only happens in socialsit countries, not here!!! We're Americans dang nab it and we pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps!!!

Problem is even the boots we wear are now made in China.

You mentioned going to school. Nice idea, but college costs have outpaced the rate of inflation by as much as 3 times. So even if you are working to pay for college, you are going to end up with tens of thousands of dollars of debt. But wait!!! There are government grants and loans for that too!!!! So if your government didn't guarantee your loan the bank wouldn't even give it to ya!!! Don't believe me? ask anyone who owns a home if they can get a loan to send their kids to school now? well they might be able to get it once this stimulus package is passed and once Congress decides whether or not they are going to start buying people's mortgages so we don't increase the homeless population by about 40 million people.( NOT OBAMA because the PRESIDENT doesn't have the national check book CONGRESS DOES!!!)

Ok you are an injured vet. You have served our country well. I'm a vet too. But if it weren't for the Social programs formed after WWII to help our vets, there would be no disability for you. No healthcare, no educational benefits, no VA Loans to start a business or buy a home. So the fact of the matter is America has been a Socialist nation for nearly 60 years.

You want pure capitalism? China is probably the closest thing to that on the planet. Over there its every man/woman child for himself. You live or die based on your own decisions. No one over there cares if their poor live like animals so they don't have any social programs to help them at all. China still has child labor. So the Nike's we wear were probably made by some 8 year old kid working right next to his mom at the factory over there. That FORD/CHEVY/ DODGE RAM TRUCK we all love ? Um Steel came from China/Japan. Radio, navigation, AC Unit, Japan and other nations.

My point is this. We complain and complain and everyone seems sooooo smart. Americans are the ultimate armchair quarterbacks. You know how we sit and watch a game on Sundays and say "oh he should have thrown to the man on the 50 yard line!!!" Yeah thats easy to say when you are home safe in your armchair and don't have 325 lb pitbull looking guys trying to take your head off. Its easy to say what the government should or should not do, but the fact is "we the people" don't have a clue, thats why we keep electing idiots to office ( 90% of incumbents get re-elected over and over again.)

So we can complain about how "bad" our system is or that "we are becoming socialists" or we can get real and try to help figure this crap out so it will be maybe a little bit better for our kids.

Hey I agree the system stinks to high heaven. but its the best system ever devised in the world . Me? I'm staying. If people think its so bad then I hear Russia is looking for a few good Comrades!