Republican Congressmen. Duncan Hunter wants to repeal 14th amendment, deport American-born children

I AM NOT demanding that THEY be deported. NOT A THING in my post said that. I DID SAY, "that they could go with their parents to their homelandand come back when they are old enough OR they can stay here and be fostered by the hispanic community while their parents GO BACK!"

Children born in the United States are citizens no matter what.

This is not exactly true. There are instances when a child is born within the borders of the US, and is NOT granted US citizenship. i.e. child of a diplomat, child born on a foreign vessel or aircraft....Since we can make exceptions for these, why not for the children of illegal aliens? If we cannot or will not change the law, then by all means, let the children stay. But, the parents have to go. They can take the child with them if they desire, or they can foster the child to a LEGAL relative or friend, but the parents have to go. If the parents decide to take the child home, fine. When the child reaches 18 years old, and if they wish to return, they will be welcomed home as a returning US citizen.

What if one leg of the woman is one side of the border, and the other leg on the other side right when the baby comes out? Then what?

I laughed so hard I choked...I am glad I wasn't drinking anything, this is a work issued laptop.

Children born in the United States are citizens no matter what.

This is not exactly true. There are instances when a child is born within the borders of the US, and is NOT granted US citizenship. i.e. child of a diplomat, child born on a foreign vessel or aircraft....

If you are born on a foreign vessel or aircraft you aren't technically born in the United States. You are born in the country operating that vessel. In the same way when you enter the United Nations, you are no longer in the United States, despite being in the middle of Manhattan.

Likewise, a foreign diplomat, service person etc, is in the service of a foreign government, their child might be born in a civilian hospital, but they, by the nature of their job are an extension of the country they represent.

That, I believe, is the difference.

Now all of you know exactly why Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter are out of government.

Regretfully, there are not enough "old Righters" and "progressives" left in the Republican Party to rebuild it after the new right/christian right nuts are done thanks to their "purity" criteria. The Republican Party started out as a progressive party so under todays standard the Christian New Right are the real RINO's not the moderates and few old righters. Glen Beck and others need a GOP History lesson. They should go away. I was always a "progressive" Republican but I won't be a Democrat. If I have to leave the GOP, I'd rather be a Federalist.

Yes, that's just the sort of decision that should be left up to an infant or child. "Look kid, it's your birthright, or your parents. You decide."..."What's that? You are breast feeding? You aren't old enough to speak..? Too bad...I need an answer now..." Great idea, I can see that will work out fantastically.

guess the illegal immigrant parents should have thought about that in advance and if the child is that young then the parents are the ones that would make the decision for it just like any parent has to make decisions for their children before they can make them for themselves, and guess what some of the children may not have made the same decision if they were able to but that is the way the world works

I'll just say this:

ex post facto

Who here is arguing that it is being used correctly? The fact that it is being misused doesn't make it not an amendment, or a constitutional right which the Supreme Court has upheld since.

I think people misuse a lot of their constitutional rights, such as the right to bear arms, but I don't advocate that we should repeal the 2nd amendment or force people to hand over their guns.

Citizenship gained by ILLEGAL means should be null and void. PERIOD.

Do the children of a bank robber get to keep the money the parent stole. No. The money was gained by illegal means. So a child that gains citizenship because of the illegal activity of the parents should not have that citizenship given to them.

If I was a person immigrating to the U.S. and I falsify information to get here should I be able to stay when that false information is found out? No.

Citizenship by birth should ONLY be granted to those children born to U.S. citizen mothers. All others are NOT citizens by birth. The wrong interpretation of the amendment is one of the reasons we are in this mess. FIX the interpretation and you remove 1 of the reason to cross the border illegally.

Naturally born citizens cannot aquire citizenship illegally because the only requirement is that they are born within the borders of the United States.

Your analogy of the bank robber is flawed because it assumes that children earn their citizenship through the status of their parents- they don't. Now, if the parents were not actually Americans and wrongfully claiming so, and had their children outside of the United States and tried to apply for their children to be American by virtue of having American parents...the analagy would work. That's not what we are talking about.

born to U.S. citizen mothers

What about U.S citizen fathers? I have no problem with people born within the borders of the United States being granted American citizenship. Immigration problems should be addressed without affecting the rights of naturally born citizens.

The wrong interpretation of the amendment is one of the reasons we are in this mess.

Prove that it is a misterpretation, because the Supreme Court says differently. I think I will trust them over your simply saying that it is a misinterpretation.

Naturally born citizens cannot aquire citizenship illegally because the only requirement is that they are born within the borders of the United States.

If it were not for the illegal activity of the parent(s), the children would not be citizens/ have the money. Therefor citizenship gained by illegal means should be null and void. The parents violated OUR countries laws to have their child here. They, nor the child, should benefit from that illegal activity.

The original intent of the amendment was for the children of slaves. It was not meant to be applied to people in this country illegally. Common sense is all you need to see that. Unfortunately as can be seen with our government over the years, common sense is something they are seriously lacking.

If it were not for the illegal activity of the parent(s), the children would not be citizens/ have the money.

It DOESN'T matter what their parents did because citizenship is bestowed on the individual possesing it not the group of individuals. UNLESS you are born to an American overseas, in which case you get the nationality/citizenship of the place you were born, and that of either of your parents.

The original intent of the amendment was for the children of slaves. It was not meant to be applied to people in this country illegally

Yes that was the original intention, but that is not all it is limited to. If they had wanted it to ONLY be limited to freed slaves they would have said so. They didn't, they said:

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

In response to 6.2

So in your minds the children fathered by American men stationed over seas or going to school should not be allowed citizenship because their mothers are not US citizens.

I think you would have a real problem with our soldiers who fall in love with women overseas.

The majority of biggots I have met in my 36 years have been democrats so your thinking is obviously flawed.

The majority of biggots I have met in my 36 years have been democrats so your thinking is obviously flawed.

If your 36 years occurred in the first part of the 20th century, then sure, the party was overrun with Dixiecrats, but I'd like to see you prove that democrats are currently more bigoted than republicans. I would argue that racism, sexism, homophobia etc. are all related more strongly with social conservatism. Are their bigoted democrats? Of course, but social conservatism is more closely tied (though not exclusively) with the current republican party.

Nope there are racist on both sides sue. My observations have been that most are either extremely wealthy or extremely poor.

Rich white heterosexual men.

Rich white heterosexual men.

At least that is what they claim in public :)

What they truly think in the wide bathroom stalls of their minds is another thing entirely.

and anal-retentive!

So you are in favor of stealing children.

actually, in many other countries the children would have dual citizenship and would be allowed to stay with a legal guardian if the parents were deported. otherwise they would be allowed to return as adults or if sponsored by a legal family

Justin Smith-1635683 -- I just stated the alternative to sending US born citizens with their illegal aliens parents when they are deported.

IN the USA if someone with custody of a child is charged with a felony, Child Protective Services usually gets the kids. They put them with relatives or put them in foster care. Illegal aliens by definition have broken Federal laws and should be treated no different from other felons. That means they can lose custody of their kids.

Perhaps if we instituted a policy of removing children from their law breaking illegal immigrant parents--it would discourage them from coming to the US and having children here. It would also be enforcing the laws equally for all law breakers. By definition illegal aliens are law breakers.

I never said life was fair nor a bowl of cherries. I am just stating what the alternatives are and what happens to most USA citizens with custody of children when they are accused of felonies.

Good thing they read the Bible as well as they read the Constitution or they would be really embarrassed by what they are proposing.

That ridiculous loophole is called the Constitution...