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And the Dave Neiwert Decade continues.
A man apparently bent on destroying the police headquarters in McKinney was shot and killed this morning after spraying the building with bullets.
Police say 29-year-old Patrick Gray Sharp drove a Ford F150 pickup pulling a trailer to the station and set it on fire in an apparent attempt to draw people out of the building. Inside the trailer, police said, were wood chips, roadside flares, gasoline, and ammonium nitrate fertilizer, the type used in the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City.
Since conservatives love profiling: we've got a white male, 29, from (very) rural North Texas driving a Ford pickup armed with an Oklahoma City-type bomb.
Call me crazy, but I'm guessing he's not a card-carrying member of PETA.
Another Completely Non-Conservative-Not-At-All-Right-Wing Domestic Terrorist Attacks Police Station North of Dallas, Texas
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I seeded this because we've gotten to the point where conservatives turn themselves into mushroom clouds of rage whenever you note that nutjob X who shot up Y is a right-wing/conservative, yet I had an argument the other day with someone over a University of Washington study that showed something like 60-70% of Tea Party'ers like and support racial profiling.
So this stuck out, because it's true. Conservatives do live profiling, so long as it's not them being profiled.
Well...too bad.
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In general, I don't like stereotypes...but when the shoe fits, you don't really need a shoehorn.
And the seeded article is absolutely correct...if this killer's name was Mohammed, this story would be all over Fox and the other right-wing media right now.
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I'm sure Beck Limbaugh and Hannazi are locked in a room somewhere trying to figure out how to spin this guy as being a liberal.
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he must have been a lib who was in disguise as a conservative, just to make them look bad.
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he must have been a lib who was in disguise as a conservative, just to make them look bad.
yep, it was definitely a plant. probably nancy pelosi or harry reid in costume.
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Now how does this one guy compare to the dozens of muslims that have committed acts of terror on U.S. soil since 9/11//2001?
*03/03/06 -- CHAPEL HILL - The driver of an SUV that plowed into a group of pedestrians at UNC-Chapel Hill on Friday told police it was retribution for the treatment of Muslims around the world, according to ABC News. 22-year-old Iranian honors student, Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar deliberately rammed his SUV into a crowd at the University of North Carolina to "punish the government of the United States" for invading Iraq and other Muslim nations.
*Sulejman Talovic, an 18-year-old Bosnian Muslim immigrant shoots up Salt Lake mall killing 6 people.
*30-year-old Muslim man, Naveed Afzal Haq, who went on a shooting rampage at a Jewish community center in Seattle, announcing "I'm a Muslim-American; I'm angry at Israel." 1 dead, 5 shot.
*21-year-old student, Joel Hinrichs, who blew himself up with a backpack filled with TATP (the explosive of choice in the Mideast) outside a packed Oklahoma University football stadium not long after he started attending the local mosque.
*23-year-old student, Mohammed Ali Alayed, who slashed the throat of his Jewish friend in Houston after apparently undergoing a religious awakening (he went to a local mosque afterward)
*Omeed Aziz Popal of Fremont, Calif., who police said hit and killed a bicyclist there then took his SUV on a hit-and-run spree in San Francisco, mowing down pedestrians at crosswalks and on sidewalks before police caught up with him, whereupon the Muslim called himself a "terrorist."
*22-year-old Muslim, Ismail Yassin Mohamed, stole a car in Minneapolis and rammed it into other cars before stealing a van and doing the same, injuring drivers and pedestrians, while repeatedly yelling, "Die, die, die, kill, kill, kill" -- all, he said, on orders from "Allah."
*Six people have been arrested in a plot to fire grenades and kill scores of soldiers at a New Jersey Army installation, the United States attorney's office in New Jersey said at a news conference today. Four of them were born in the former Yugoslavia, one was born in Turkey and one in Jordan, said a spokesman for the office, Greg Reinert
Duka, and two others, Eljvir Duka and Shain Duka — all three of whom are brothers — are in the United States illegally, Mr. Christie said.
He said that the three men and the others, named as Mohamad Shnewer, Serdar Tatar and Agron Abdullahu, were identified from a videotape that the F.B.I described as firing assault weapons in a "militia-like style while calling for jihad and shouting Allah Akbar (God is Great)." Mr. Christie said the men made the mistake of taking the tape to a local video store and requesting that it be dubbed to DVD. A clerk who watched the tape called the local police, who alerted the FBI.
*Mohammad Zaki Amawi, 28; Marwan Othman El-Hindi, 45, and Wassim I. Mazloum, 26, are each charged with planning to wage a "holy war" using skills they learned on the Internet. Specifically, the government alleged that the three conspired to kill or injure people in the Middle East - including U.S. troops serving in Iraq - by providing "support and resources." They also are charged with "distributing information regarding explosives."
*The Buffalo Six (also known as Lackawanna Six, Lakawanna Cell, or Buffalo Cell) is a group of six Yemeni-Americans who were convicted of providing material support to al Qaeda . The six are American citizens by birth.
*Three Caribbean men have denied plotting to plant a bomb at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport.The men, all Muslim, were extradited from Trinidad where had they spent a spent more than 12 months fighting an extradition order against them from the US government.
Kareem Ibrahim, Abdel Nur, Abdul Kadir and US citizen Russell Defreitas plotted to "cause greater destruction than in the September 11 attacks" by destroying JFK Airport and parts of Queens, a New York City suburb... the four men plotted to plant explosives in the fuel pipelines at JFK in a bid to destroy the airport and the Queen's neighbourhood, under which JFK fuel pipelines run.
*WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. - Four muslim men arrested after planting what they thought were explosives near two New York City synagogues were disappointed that the World Trade Center wasn't still around to attack,
The men, James Cromitie aka ABDUL RAHMAN, Laguerre Payen aka AMIN, David "DAOUD" Williams & Onta Williams described as Black Muslims, had planned to detonate a car with plastic explosives outside a temple in the Bronx neighborhood of Riverdale
*Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, 23 assassinates William Long, 24, of Conway, died, and Quinton Ezeagwula, 18. Witnesses told police that a man inside a black vehicle pulled up outside the recruiting center and opened fire about 10:30 a.m.
*FBI arrests 2 men on terrorism charges
The FBI announced the arrests of two men Tuesday on terror-related charges stemming from a purported plot to attack the Danish newspaper that published a dozen controversial cartoons in 2005 depicting the Muslim prophet Muhammad, including one in which he has a bomb nestled into the turban on his head.
David Coleman Headley, a 49-year-old American citizen, and Tahawwur Hussain Rana, a 48-year-old Pakistan national
*Najibullah Zazi is accused of plotting to use weapons of mass destruction against U.S. targets in what law enforcement officials say was the most serious terrorist threat against the U.S. since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks
*An Army psychiatrist opened fire Thursday at Fort Hood, Texas, killing 12 people and wounding 30 others before being shot to death, officials told NBC News.
Eleven of the victims died at the scene, military officials said. A 12th died later at a hospital, NBC station KCEN-TV of Waco reported. NBC News’ Pete Williams reported that U.S. officials identified the gunman as Nidal Malik Hasan
*Luqman Ameen Abdullah, 53 years old, who had previously been known as Christopher Thomas, refused to surrender. He shot a police dog before he was fatally shot by authorities, the U.S. attorney's office in Detroit said in a statement.
Mr. Abdullah was imam of the Masjid Al-Haqq mosque and was connected to a group known as "Ummah," a brotherhood that seeks to establish a separate state within the U.S. that would be ruled by strict Islamic or Sharia law, the U.S. attorney's office said.
Ummah's leader is Jamil Abdullah al-Amin, formerly known as H. Rap Brown, who is now serving time in a prison for the murder of two police officers in Georgia
*Five police officers were shot during a shootout in Jersey City Thursday, and two remain in critical condition.
Police said Hassan Shakur had been hiding a pump-action shotgun under a monk's robe, and when police approached him in the street at about 5:15 a.m., he began firing
*Saudi national Abdulsalam Al-Zahrani, 46, was held without bail for the murder of Binghamton University professor Richard Antoun, 77, an expert on comparative religion, authorities said.
Al-Zahrani, a cultural-anthropology grad student, allegedly pulled out a six-inch kitchen knife and stabbed Antoun four times in the chest in the professor's campus office Friday.
*Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, of Nigeria, an agent for al-Qaida tried to blow up a jetliner as it prepared to land in Detroit, but travelers rushed to subdue him, passengers and officials said.
An apparent malfunction in a device designed to detonate the high explosive PETN may have been all that saved the 278 passengers and the crew aboard Northwest Flight 253 on Christmas Day
*five Muslim soldiers at Fort Jackson in South Carolina were arrested just before Christmas and are in custody. The five men were part of the Arabic Translation program at the base.
The men are suspected of trying to poison the food supply at Fort Jackson.
*NEW YORK - Authorities arrested a suspect in the attempted weekend car bombing in Times Square, NBC News' justice correspondent Pete Williams reported early Tuesday morning.
A Pakistani MUSLIM, Shahzad Faisal, was trying to leave the country Monday night at John F Kennedy International Airport when he was picked up by Customs and Border Protection agents, Williams reported.
*9 are shot dead by Omar Thornton a.k.a Thornton Omar Sharriff
Then there are these muslims in America?
34 U.S. citizens,(MUSLIMS) had been charged between 2009 and 2010 for providing aid to terror groups. http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/us/2010/08/06/citizens-charged-terrorism-violations#slide=1
ANSWER: IT DOESN'T.
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D,
Terrorism ? What's the goal behind the violence? I don't see one, and that's a determining factor of terrorism.. Why does it have to be a terrorist?
To quote Chris Rock -
"Whatever happened to Crazy?"
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You know, what's most disturbing about many of the posts I see in here is that the main focus seems to be about vilifying a certain segment of society. Not simply this seed but practically any seed you care to mention. Why does someone not thinking the way you do make them worthy of vilification? Surely not everything they think is wrong? Whether you're a liberal or a conservative or something else, surely you don't believe the other side doesn't go out on the full moon and sacrifice babies to whatever ideology they follow.
This country is a republic, not a direct democracy. That means this isn't a land of majority rule. We are a republic specifically so we don't become a country that suffers the tyranny of majority rule. In such a democracy, the minority suffers. We have a representative democracy specifically so that the minority is not ignored or marginalized.
We are a country of what, something like 350 million? There is absolutely no way everyone is going to agree about anything. It would be like trying to herd cats. So how do we achieve the most benefit for the most people. Is it by vilifying people? Or is it by examining the issue and discussing it without personal attack?
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Now how does this one guy compare to the dozens of muslims that have committed acts of terror on U.S. soilsince 9/11//2001?
I had to laugh when I read your post. You apparently don't know that the vast majority of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil have been by non-muslim citizens.
In fact, Muslims account for a very small percentage. Kind of scary when you think how extensive the list you posted is.
But, like David Bowie said: "I'm Afraid of Americans."
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You apparently don't know that the vast majority of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil have been by non-muslim citizens.
There's the list of muslims involved in Domestic Terrorism since 9/11/2001.
Now go prove your false contenion.
"I'm Afraid of Americans."
I'm Not. Unless they're voting for Black Power Marxists from Kenya, Chicago, Hawaii, where ever..
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Now go prove your false contenion.
Prove? It's a matter of record. Or did you just assume Muslims were the only ones who engaged in such acts?
Don't like Wikipedia? Then how about the FBI?
IN RECENT years, the overt threat posed by state sponsors of terrorism and formalized domestic terrorist organizations appears to have diminished as the threat posed by loosely affiliated extremists has grown. The threat posed by loosely affiliated extremists–both domestic and international in nature–is expected to represent a continuing challenge to the United States for the foreseeable future. Loosely affiliated domestic extremists may draw ideological inspiration from formal terrorist organizations such as the World Church of the Creator (WCOTC) and the Aryan Nations, but they operate, either individually or in small groups, on the fringes of these formalized movements. Despite their informal, often ad hoc nature, and generally limited resources, loosely affiliated extremists can mount high-profile, highly destructive attacks. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Lynn Nichols planned and carried out the most destructive act of terrorism ever to occur on U.S. soil[this was before 9/11]–the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building. Eric Robert Rudolph is charged with four terrorist bombings spanning an 18-month period, including the bombing at Centennial Park during the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta. Claims of responsibility for at least two of the attacks attributed to Rudolph were issued by the “Army of God."
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/terror99.pdf
The Council on Foreign Relations?
The FBI reports that eight of the fourteen terrorist acts prevented between 2002 and 2005 were planned by right-wing groups. The others ranged from an anarchist plan to bomb a Coast Guard station, a prison-gang attempt to attack military and Jewish targets around Los Angeles, and a few people who attempted, individually, to establish ties with al-Qaeda.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9236/militant_extremists_in_the_united_states.html
Or if you would like, feel free to sift through all the FBI documents on the matter:
http://www.fbi.gov/publications.htm
I think there is also a recent report somewhere from the NCTC. Simple matter of facts and history. Not too hard. Maybe not as easy as bigoted rants.
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I dug a little deeper....
By MATTHEW HAAG / The Dallas Morning News
mhaag@dallasnews.com
A Georgia teenager says that less than an hour before Patrick Sharp tried to set off a massacre outside the McKinney police headquarters, he contacted her online.
Patrick Gray Sharp
"Killers like to share their thoughts, seek attention," read a message the girl says Sharp sent her Tuesday morning on Facebook.
"I like to scare people. I enjoy watching people beg for their life. I like watching them drown. When they take their last breath, oh it's amazing."
Sad thing is another sadistic, probably radcon, bastaad went and took the killers name and started a facebook account.
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#1.11 ..... There's the list of muslims involved in Domestic Terrorism since 9/11/2001.
#1.6, I thought there were NO DOMESTIC TERRORIST ATTACKS on US soil since 9-11. I thought GwB kept us safe? looks like all those righties lied about georges record....
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I'm Not. Unless they're voting for Black Power Marxists from Kenya, Chicago, Hawaii, where ever..
Someone get this guy a stabilizer. lol
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I'm Not. Unless they're voting for Black Power Marxists from Kenya, Chicago, Hawaii, where ever..
*!*
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As usual, you hypocrites are just desperately labeling any violent American as Right Wing.
NEWSFLASH- most Americans are Center-Right with conservatives views and yet, most murders, rapes, and other violent crime is caused by those who tend to Vote Democratic.
Facts are facts gents, so I don't think you can convince anyone that Conservative Americans are generally violent, although most Americans are capable of more violence than most other cultures, regardless of political persusion.
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A Patrick Sharp of Anna had a MySpace page that showed a man holding a number of firearms. One caption read, "I love guns more than toothpaste."
Liberals brush their teeth.
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NEWSFLASH- most Americans are Center-Right with conservatives views and yet, most murders, rapes, and other violent crime is caused by those who tend to Vote Democratic.
On your dreams or are you just a Beck parrot
ferrari5k,
where are your facts?
Probably where he pulled that crap from.... his AZZ
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Ferrari5k, you can't just capitalize the word newsflash and think it counts as fact (well, you can, but the rest of us need actual evidence).
Where is your proof that this is a center right nation? This is obviously incorrect by the thumping taken by Republicans during the 2008 election. After this year, the House may fall back to the Republicans, but the Senate is all but guaranteed to be controlled by the Democrats at least for another term.
Violent crime is perpetrated more by liberals than conservatives?
The average violent crime rate (murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault) in 2008 for the 28 states that voted for Barack Obama in the 2008 Presidential election was 389 incidents per 100,000 residents. The average violent crime rate for the 22 states that voted for John McCain was 412 incidents per 100,000 residents - or a 5.8 percent higher incidence of violent crime.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_05.html
That's how you prove your point; you get sources and give links to them. You don't just make broad generalizations without any documentation.
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As usual, you hypocrites are just desperately labeling any violent American as Right Wing.
And then..
yet, most murders, rapes, and other violent crime is caused by those who tend to Vote Democratic.
Pot, met kettle.
NEWSFLASH- most Americans are Center-Right
Not so much. Liberals control the House, Senate, White House, a majority of Governorships and a majority of state legislatures. As of 2004, the last year census numbers were available, there were 73,000,000 registered Democrats in America and only 55,000,000 Republicans. And that was before the Democratic registration surge in 2008 that flipped several red states blue.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This is a center-left, blue America. The numbers don't lie, though like reality, they may have a liberal bias.
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Now how does this one guy compare to the dozens of muslims that have committed acts of terror on U.S. soil since 9/11//2001?
White conservative, christian men will catch up to them. Just watch!
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Wow, I can hardly wait 'til we start talking issues once all the stereotyping and labeling is done.
Your are wrong Mr. Penny, (in the voice of Ed McMahon)
Democrats control the the house and senate, not liberals, many if not most democratic governors or not liberal as well.
Your total population numbers are irrelavant as they only represent numbers of democrats and republicans, not liberals and conservatives
Nice try, but just as ridiculous as your premise for this seed.
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Now go prove your false contenion.
Yes prove. Not with a list of groups allegedly associated with "terrorism" but but actual acts/plots of terror...I notice your list doesn't include any of the islamofascist attacks that occured domestically since the 1970s. Not even the 1993 WTC Attack.
odd. what muslims do you think were editing those wikipages?
Timothy McVeigh Terry Lynn Nichols Eric Robert Rudolph
THREE! Three?
I wont't even mention that 2 of them (McVeigh & Nichols) were associated with Philippino muslims, but Three? That the best you got? Really?
I posted a list of 82 Domestic muslim terrorists arrested for terror acts/plots since 9/11/01. Did you read it?
Simple matter of facts and history. Not too hard.
Hard enough you missed all of the acts of Islamoterror-and we haven't even gotten to the list that occured under Clinton's watch!
*MURDERS (committed by muslim ) OF C.I.A. OFFICERS @ C.I.A. HEADQUATERS
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-1...tion-kasi_x.htm
*1 March 1994, New York
Rashad Baz, a naturalised American of Lebanese Druze origin, fired on a minibus containing Lubavitch yeshivah students near the Brooklyn Bridge. One was killed and three others were injured. He was later charged and convicted of murder, attempted murder and illegal possession of weapons
. Baz was accompanied by Bassam Mousa Reyati, a Jordanian, who entered as a student in 1989 (BEFORE THE GULF WAR) and received residency in 1992 on the basis of marriage to a U.S. citizen. Hlal Mohammed, a Jordanian, was the third terrorist.
*June 1993: Eight militant Muslim fundamentalists are arrested in New York for plotting to blow up the United Nations headquarters, tunnels under the Hudson River and a federal office building. The arrestees were from Sudan, Egypt, the Israeli West Bank and Gaza, Jordan and Pakistan.
In Feb 1997, Ali Hassan Abu Kamal, a Palestinian teacher who arrived in the United States in December 1996 on a tourist visa kills seven tourists with a 14 shot semiautomatic pistol at the Empire State Building before killing himself. Abu Kamal wrote that he was taking vengeance against enemies of the Palestinian people.
*31 July 1997, New York
Two Palestinian asylum seekers, Gazi Ibrahim Abu Mezer and Lafi Khalil, were arrested after a shootout with police in a Brooklyn apartment. A search of their apartment unearthed homemade bombs and a document in which they threatened suicide attacks and demanded the release from custody of convicted Islamist terrorists, Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman, Ramzi Yousef and Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. At their trial the following year, Abu Mezer stated that he intended to kill as many Jews as possible in a suicide bomb attack. http://www.cnn.com/US/9708/02/brooklyn.bomb.pm/
*Dec. 1999 Ahmed Ressam, who was admitted to Canada as an asylum applicant in 1994 despite being expelled from Algeria and France for suspicion of terrorist activities, was arrested in Port Angeles, Wash. attempting to enter the U.S. from Canada with a carload of bomb-making materials destined for Los Angeles airport. A terrorist cell linked to al-Qaida was discovered trying to carry out attacks inside the United States. An Algerian, Ahmed Ressam, was stopped at the US-Canadian border and over 100 lbs of bomb-making material was found in his car. Ressam admitted he was planning to set off a large bomb at Los Angeles International Airport on New Year's Day. He said that he had received terrorist training at al-Qaida camps in Afghanistan and then been instructed to go abroad and kill US civilians and military personnel. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/trail/inside/cron.html
Maybe not as easy as bigoted rants.
I didn't even add any of the over-seas attacks on American interests by muslims during the 70s- 80s-90s. I didn't even add the list of islamofascist attacks on Foreign interests over the last 40-years.
Maybe you'd like to add another few names to your ridiculous list before you declare the overwhelming facts "bigotry".
dug a little deeper....
Not deep enough. Keep trying, I'll let you know when you're warm..
I thought there were NO DOMESTIC TERRORIST ATTACKS on US soil since 9-11
You thought wrong. How could such an enlightened thinker like you have missed all of that? Did you blink?
looks like all those righties lied about georges record....
Yes, the liberal phonies at MSNBC, CNN, NYT, CBS and The View all lied to protect Bush...that's it. Sad truth is they lied to protect people like you from the truth-Islam is at War with the West/America.
you hypocrites are just desperately labeling any violent American as Right Wing.
Let's point to the American Blacks in prisons...they ain't Conservative Republicans, neither are the Whites in prison. Democrats all!
where are your facts?
Where's your intellectual honesty? In the real world outside of prison Blacks support Democrats at the 90% rate...did that change for those in prison? No.
Liberals control the House, Senate, White House, a majority of Governorships and a majority of state legislatures.
Not for long. Americans now see the Democrat's complete disregard for the Average citizen.
Some "independents" protest voted and got obama for their "wisdom"...well they're hatin' it now and they'll make up for their mistake come November.
White conservative, christian men will catch up to them. Just watch!
Cross your fingers! Hold your breath! But don't expect reality to catch up to your Racist-fantasy.
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Yes prove. Not with a list of groups allegedly associated with "terrorism" but but actual acts/plots of terror...I notice your list
What are you talking about? I didn't post a list. Why would I waste my time? What does your list prove? I never denied the accuracy of what you posted.
You can make lists all day, it doesn't change the fact that most domestic terrorists are non-muslim American citizens.
That's not opinion, that's according to the DHS and FBI. Go argue with them.
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I didn't post a list.
No you posted a link to a site with the names of alleged "terror groups" that were sorely lacking in detail.
Why would I waste my time?
Why did you waste your time? Better yet, why did you waste our time?
What does your list prove?
Proves you don't know what you're talking about.
it doesn't change the fact that most domestic terrorists are non-muslim American citizens.
That's not opinion
Actually it is strictly opinion; uninformed and biased opinion, yours.
Glad we got that straight. You're dismissed.
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No you posted a link to a site with the names of alleged "terror groups"
Yeah...the FBI. With links to every report going back several years. But I'm sure you know more than the FBI.
You are more likely to die in your bathtub than at the hands of a Muslim. So keep watching for those Islamic terrorists.
- 3 votes
Garrison, please quit randomly bolding stuff. It's annoying to read.
Thanks.
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The boldface just lets us know that a tweeker is on the other end of these ranting posts.
- 2 votes
Maye we should bring back profiling and start pulling over F150s with the balls hanging and/or "dukes of hazard" plates.
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#2 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:08 PM EDTThat sort of criteria for profiling would cause quite a traffic jam where I live. They would have to increase the local police force and expand the already bursting at the seams for profit penal institutions which are already full of um you guessed it...
- 5 votes
Maye we should bring back profiling and start pulling over F150s with the balls hanging
I've been thinking that for a while, but terrorism wasn't on my mind - just good taste.
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It won't be long till they come in here and spout the same old nonsense....."prove he was a conservative"...."he's probably a paid liberal plant".
- 18 votes
#3 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:57 PM EDTa paid liberal plant".
you betcha ! even Glenn Beck can't spin this one ....
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If he was a paid liberal plant, the cons would be thrilled.
1 Liberal dead, 4 more paid enough so they can get off welfare...
(/serious snark)
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Call me crazy, but I'm guessing he's not a card-carrying member of PETA.
Then...you don't think he was a total nut job? I would say that trying to bomb a police station is pretty nutty...why are you defending his sanity?
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#4 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:02 PM EDTThat was sarcasm...I've actually met some of the "card carrying members of PETA"...and they were nuttier than squirrel poo.
Especially the one who told me that by keeping my 105 lb. Catahoula Leopard on a leash I was "stifling his joy in living and freedom of expression"...and I was real tempted to turn him loose and watch him chase her down the road...but as a responsible pet owner I didn't...besides, she'd have sued me after he'd expressed his freedom by sinking his teeth in her rear end. He doesn't like people who yell and scream at his mama.
- 6 votes
After their rallies most peta people go eat at Longhorns. Friend of mine has a PETA wife who swears she is a vegan who eats steak but quietly. Walked into a restaurant one night there she was with a friend and a big steak.
- 3 votes
The man was mentally ill and suicidal. He'd written several friends that he planned to die. It was a failed attempt at suicide by cop, failed because he ended up killing himself. This is well document in the Dallas media. (I live a few minutes from where this happened.)
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#5 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:13 PM EDTSuicide by cop? Yeah, but you neglect to mention the assload of explosives he was trying to lure the police to. But for the grace of god it wasn't competently constructed. A police officer was saved only by the metal plate between the from and rear seats. And If one wants to kill themselves by cop, one doesn't wear body armor to stop the cops from killing him.
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The seed is a tongue in cheek shot at conservatives who mouth such things as he kept us safe and PETA is a liberal organization. Then we laugh when they inadvertently post all the attacks we suffered that prove he did not keep us safe. Maybe he was nuts or maybe he was driven by his love for the right wings BS. Only he knew. The fact is the rhetoric from the right has taken many people who sit on the fence of reality to a point that has cost many peoples live case in point was McVeigh.
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Collin County, Texas -- where this took place -- is ground zero for crazy right wing religious nutters. And even they aren't calling this terrorism. Actually, they're keeping their mouths shut and heads down because the conservatives here have managed to gut the county's mental health system and they're catching a lot of hell for it now.
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Republicans lost one of their own, and Glenn Beck and Fox News lost a viewer! The flags in the trailer park will fly at half mast and they will say a prayer at the next KKK meeting.
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#6 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:49 PM EDTThey can have a "moment of silence" for the lost "patriot" at the Beck Rally next weekend....
- 10 votes
I see, it's not the guys fault he snapped....it's the rest of our faults.....and as long as the Beckers and Palinites are content to act like all muslims terrorists, I am content to call our home grown terrorists right wing Beck and Palin fans.
- 12 votes
It must be comforting to "pigeon hole" him into some preconceived label. How about he was a "one-off"? They're out there. They defy conventional description. Liberal, conservative, republican, democrat left winger, right winger, Beck fan, etc.
He was a NUT!!!!
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So if he was muslim he would be a terroist but because he is white and american he is crazy.
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waukone wrote:
So if he was muslim he would be a terroist but because he is white and american he is crazy.
Hahahaha, No, he was a terrorist because of his actions. He is crazy because Americans (of any color) should not use these methods to resolve whatever issue they have.
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Oh for Pete's sake, more divisiveness and ugly innuendoes.
Who the @!$%# is Pete and why do we give a @!$%# about his sake? Yeah - pretty divisive to try and blow up a police station. Not much singing of the ol' kumbaya. You pissed because it was a neocon redneck sumbitch or just that he got outed?
Can't quite understand why people just won't think past their political party line.
Maybe 'cuz the leadership of said parties are pretty much setting the standard as well as @!$%#ed up news sources like FUX Bag'O'Proaganda.
Pitiful, and just causing more hatred.
Yes - as has been stated, trying to kill policemen is pitiful and hateful. Quit repeating yourself.
This man was unbalanced...who knows, he could have been reading some of the garbage and crapola on Newvine before he flipped...wouldn't surprise me at all.
Or .... more than likely just got through listening to Glenn Peckerhead or Bill O'Liely. That would surprise most sane thinking people even less.
All computers have done for us is allow people to be abusive, use ugly language, make unfounded accusations...while hiding behind their computer keyboard.
Really? Not one other beneficial thing has come about because of computers? They have enabled no major break-throughs anywhere, anytime. And it should be noted that the above rant was written by someone hiding behind their keyboard complaining about people hiding behind their keyboard.
Does it really make you all feel good about yourselves.
Never thought of it in that context. But no - reading about some stupid southern redneck neocon sumbitch trying to blow up a police station doesn't make me feel good. Does it make you feel good?
This is the mentality that is causing the breakdown of our country.
Couldn't be that the people who actualy do this freakin' nonsense are responsible, could it? Or maybe you subscribe to the, "They made me do it." as the root cause. If that is the case, better jump all over Peckerhead, Limpballs and O'Liely. They are the champs at this @!$%#. Or perhaps you are for just shutting down the "Internets" or restricting freedom of speech.
By the way bucko - you should read some of the @!$%# that people wrote going back to and including the time of the founding of our country. Make your hair curl. We have been doing this for a LONG time. Doubt it will rovide any more impetus for the destruction of our country now than it did back then.
And, YES, I HAVE posted the same thing to the far right nut cases.
Don't really give a rat's @!$%#.
Dims and Repeats, too busy calling names and curse each other, while your country goes under..like stupid spoiled babies. Far right nut bags and far left nut bags...I see no difference between the two...
To say this define the vary essense of hypocrisy would not be an overstatement. The fact that you posted this and probably did not see the @!$%#ing stunningly absurdity makes me weep for our educational system. Ranting about people clling other people names while at the same time calling people names. @!$%#ing classic!
I profile all of you as cowards and instigators....
Oh I get it - "profiling" someone as a coward and instigator is not calling them names. Damn - your going to get whiplash by twisting yourself up with that kind of @!$%#ing pretzel logic.
- 5 votes
Oh for Pete's sake, more divisiveness and ugly innuendoes. Can't quite understand why people just won't think past their political party line
All computers have done for us is allow people to be abusive, use ugly language, make unfounded accusations...while hiding behind their computer keyboard
Dims and Repeats, too busy calling names and curse each other, while your country goes under..like stupid spoiled babies. Far right nut bags and far left nut bags...I see no difference between the two...
I profile all of you as cowards and instigators....
nice @!$%#ing job nel1944..... LMFAO.....
- 5 votes
Republicans lost one of their own, and Glenn Beck and Fox News lost a viewer! The flags in the trailer park will fly at half mast and they will say a prayer at the next KKK meeting.
You're a very hateful person, aren't you? If that fool was anything but a suicidal lunatic, then the moon really is made of green cheese.
What makes you think that Glenn Beck (or anyone else at Fox News) is in favor of bombing police stations, or is a member of the KKK? What makes you think that any true religious practice happens at a KKK meeting? The KKK is about as truly religious as the Nation of Islam or the Black Panthers. What makes you think that people who live in trailer parks are in favor of violence?
Go ahead, keep spewing your own special brand of hate. Your statement makes you appear to be ill-mannered, uneducated and foolish.
- 2 votes
What makes you think that Glenn Beck (or anyone else at Fox News) is in favor of bombing police stations, or is a member of the KKK?
Please read and learn. Glenn "Vicks Vaporub" Peckerhead is about as hateful a person as is on the planet. The only difference between Glenn Peckerhead and Bin Laden is .... well ..... there is no difference.
Beck portrays Obama, Democrats as vampires, suggests "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers."
Beck talks about "put[ting] poison" in Pelosi's wine.
Beck: "To the day I die, I am going to be a progressive hunter."
Beck's advice to Liberty grads: "Shoot to kill."
.
Go ahead, keep spewing your own special brand of hate. Your statement makes you appear to be ill-mannered, uneducated and foolish
spewed the person whose post makes them appear to be ill-mannered, uneducated and foolish.
- 5 votes
Have you ever actually watched Fox News? I seriously doubt it. Don't believe what others tell you was said on any show. Sometimes, people will lie to you.
Have you ever actually watched Fox News?
Yes I have.
I seriously doubt it.
Well then you are @!$%#ing wrong.
Don't believe what others tell you was said on any show.
WTF does that mean? Please say it in English this time.
Sometimes, people will lie to you.
said someone who is trying to tell me "what was said on any show" evidently.
So apprently you are claiming Peckerhead didn't say these things? You ready to get shown differently or is your head so far up his ass it would be a waste of time?
- 5 votes
How very typical. Responding with cursing and hatefulness.
How very consescending and elitist. Hurt your fragile sensibilities did we? You made some stupid ass assumptions. I called you out on them Welcome to the real world.
You are confusing hate with ridicule and laughing at crap that Glenn Peckerhead says.
Answer the @!$%#ing question. You don't believe Peckerboy said these thing? Yes or No?
- 3 votes
I love guns more than toothpaste.
Priceless. Anyone want to bet that this guy had more tattoos than teeth?
- 8 votes
#7 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:58 PM EDTAnyone want to bet that this guy had more tattoos than teeth?
goldeneye, this criteria must be added to the profiling list we are starting in #2 #2.1 and #2.2.
- 2 votes
They defy conventional description. Liberal, conservative, republican, democrat left winger, right winger, Beck fan, etc.
He was a NUT!!!!
Which is why this is so tragic.One hell of a lot of people in America are challenged. Some sit very close to exploding and doing something they should not do. Whether it is a TV show a game or a speech they take literally that makes them snap is the issue.When People from the right spew their garbage they seem to not care if it incites people to act instead of sitting there stewing. Like when Beck says liberals are like vampires and he is here to drive a stake in their heart. Some take that to mean literally
- 4 votes
If he had just bought a Chevy none of this would have happened.
- 8 votes
#8 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:14 PM EDTWhat is wrong with him simply being one more INDIVIDUAL?
- 2 votes
#9 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:14 PM EDTAs long as he wasn't a muslim he deserve individuality right?
- 19 votes
Right Blearc, and as if this guy happened to be a member of Moveon.org....We'd never hear the end of it.... through multiple election cycles.
- 12 votes
Liberals would rather die than claim this wacko as one of their own.
- 3 votes
Blearc
As long as he wasn't a muslim he deserve individuality right?
Or an illegal immigrant. Can't forget that all illegal immigrants are "beheading drug criminals".
- 12 votes
aqua.....chances are greater that he was a con. Failing to find his REAL facebook, and talking to the girl who talked to him before he died or any of his "friends", to ask if he ever mentioned political party, we may never REALLY KNOW. The muslims who flew whose planes into the WTT didn't have any AMERICAN political party affiliation.
- 2 votes
Liberals would rather die than claim this wacko as one of their own.
did you mean conservatives?
- 9 votes
TruettCollins
What is wrong with him simply being one more INDIVIDUAL?
Because right-wing terrorism is a threat. Right-wing violence is real. And if it isn't called out and shouted down, this nation will split itself in two.
I see a lot of right-wingers steaming themselves into a fug of outrage over this guy being labeled as one of them, but the facts are the facts. Right-wing calls and threats of violence have been skyrocketing since the 2008 election. The right wing seems to think they can bully people into giving them an election, since they can't get there honestly by winning votes.
Sunshine is the best disinfectant.
- 4 votes
through multiple election cycles.
Same people who want us to quit talking about Bush ( I know I know it is like pouring salt in a real bad wound) go down to their next comment and its say Carter or Clinton is at fault LOL
- 3 votes
What is wrong with him simply being one more INDIVIDUAL?
I guess the people commenting figure if white, republican conservative christians consider all muslims terrorists, then this guy Patrick Gray Sharp just HAS to be a white, republican conservative christian.
- 2 votes
So this is where you folks have been hanging out, on the extreme edge of the world.
- 2 votes
#10 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:34 PM EDT#11 deleted for grenade trolling. Everything that followed was off-topic. Not at all surprised at who started it.
Bubba-939441, stay on-topic and don't troll on my column.
- 8 votes
Saying something inflammatory that is guaranteed to get a rise out of a large number of people for no other reason than to upset them and get them to fight.
Bubba made a snide remark about the truck of the guy who attacked the police station having an Obama-Biden sticker on the bumper.
That's grenade trolling.
- 2 votes
Maybe it’s a misperception on my part, but it seems to me we have this occur (remember the dood flew his plane into the IRS bulding not long ago? And Waco? And OK CITY) when we have a Democratic President. Not so much when we have a Republican one.
Think that’s a misperception or is there something to it?
-- OldFatGuy August 17th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
- 6 votes
#12 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:52 PM EDTHey, the guy was simply following the advice of Angle, Palin, Bachmann, Beck, et al. by "taking up arms" and exploring "2nd Amendment remedies" in order to "take back our country". He wasn't a terrorist, he was a patriotic freedom fighter.
- 13 votes
#13 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:55 PM EDTHmmm...strange resemblance to what's going on in the middle east. Now if they would say "God says to take arms against the American non-believers" it would be an exact replica.
- 2 votes
The 'Loosers to be' sure like playing the blame game. Y'all sound like a bunch of 5th graders who lost their lunch money to the class bully.
- 2 votes
#14 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:12 AM EDTMore like a bunch of little grade school girls from the snobby clique.
- 1 vote
What are "Loosers?" Is it something like some wrenches? Do you need "Tighters" if you are working in the opposite direction? Most fifth graders know how to spell "losers."
- 8 votes
What are "Loosers?" Is it something like some wrenches? Do you need "Tighters" if you are working in the opposite direction?
Snort!!
- 1 vote
What are "Loosers?" Is it something like some wrenches? Do you need "Tighters" if you are working in the opposite direction?
Oh no...they swing both ways . :)
- 1 vote
bkoz
The 'Loosers to be' sure like playing the blame game. Y'all sound like a bunch of 5th graders who lost their lunch money to the class bully.
Who are we "bullying", the Gunnut freakshow who was planning to massacre a police precinct?
Times like this I am glad Texas education is so subpar, He might've actually killed a cop.
This is eerily similar to the massacre of local cops the right wing Hutaree Militia was planning...I wonder how long it will be before we see IED's planted in wait for our law enforcement from domestic terrorists
- 11 votes
#15 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:19 AM EDTOk think back to the Michigan "freedom fighters" They were going to kill a cop then massacre more cops as they arrived at the scene. Sound familiar?
- 5 votes
Does anyone remember the terrorist group of the 70's called the IRA? Hhhmmmmm they were probably muslim too huh? Give it ten more years. This too shall pass. Then there will be another we can all irradicate and hate. There has always been a group that has hated Americans. I am tired of fear, I am sick of hatred, and fed up with assuming a few bad apples represent all. We have muslim faithed people who have served and died for this country, who worked in the WTC, just as all other faiths as well as non religious. How easily we forget. Thank you Karl Rove for your sick sick ideology of politics you have brought to this country.
- 5 votes
#16 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:37 AM EDTIRA did not hate America, and they never attempted to build their information centers next to buildings they blew up (usually at night to deliver the message but ensure there were no victims). In fact, IRA, in certain sense, has been doing the same thing America did after being overfed with British ruling. IRA did not want to destroy Britain, they only wanted independence for Northern Ireland. Now it is all obsolete as all people living in Northern Ireland are both Irish and British citizens, but it does not change anything anyway as they both parts of the European Union.
Unlike IRA - that has never had a principal cultural division with their opponents, - Islam has been fighting war of expansion and domination for centuries, and in some cases they succeeded (see the end of Byzantine/Eastern Roman Empire as a result of Muslim invasion). Islam is an ideology of viral endless spreading - same way as Communism and Nazism were. Such ideologies do not stop until they take over everything or get defeated. This is fact based, just do your own research and see for yourself.
- 2 votes
TrueNorth your post almost seems to imply the IRA was just a political group. They were and still are a terrist organization. They did not care if innocents were hurt or killed and thousands were. They had only slightly more humane tactics... they usually called in thier bomb threats, at least in London. I remember several bombings in London in the 70s all attributed to the IRA. London's violence was nothing like that seen in Ireland, that was not only against Brits, it was Irish against Irish.
The IRA were fighting over more than just anti-british rule. It did become a real religious war, and either way you had best not be on the wrong side or be friends with the wrong people. I remember seeing pictures in the paper of two teenage girls beaten, heads shaved, chained to a fence in a highly dangerous area, I believe in Belfast; one was Catholic and one was Protestant, they dared to be friends, this was not tolerated. I was about the same age at that time, believe me that was terror at work in a real way. They drove their point home with me and I wasn't even in Ireland, I was in England. BTW alot of IRA activity was funded by americans typically thru their churches, because we did not understand what we were helping to fund.
Terror is terror, it does not have to be brown or exotic to be scary. I am sure that those who lost loved ones in OKC would agree. Islam is not the only ideology that we must worry about spreading. We have homegrown ideologies that are mighty scary, ideologies that wouldn't think twice about taking out a few citizens to make their point.
You say that Islam has been fighting a war of expansion and domination for centuries...what is that the Christian religion has been doing? Speaking of the crusades, can you really with an honest heart believe that the Christian church was only righteous in that persuit and Islam only the bad guy? We could look at Chritianity vs. Judaism, have we ( the christians) always been on the righteous side? Seriously? BTW I am Christian but there is no way I can kid myself into believing we have always been the good guys. Yes burn the damn heretics at the stake, after all if they are heretics it must not matter.
- 6 votes
klm-547227 wrote:
Terror is terror, it does not have to be brown or exotic to be scary. I am sure that those who lost loved ones in OKC would agree. Islam is not the only ideology that we must worry about spreading. We have homegrown ideologies that are mighty scary, ideologies that wouldn't think twice about taking out a few citizens to make their point.
True that. We have extremists and religious fanatics of every stripe, and they are always willing to sacrifice innocent lives to publicize their position.
But the biggest threat right now is Islamic Extremists. How an Imam can influence ordinary muslims to violence is something I am having a hard time understanding. Sometimes they incite just by email. What exactly are they preaching that prompts people to take up arms or strap on a bomb and die for allah. It's like hypnotism. I don't get it.
- 1 vote
How an Imam can influence ordinary muslims to violence is something I am having a hard time understanding.
I wonder the same thing about how a Fox News pundit can influence ordinary Americans to violence...but they do and they have over and over and over again. Extremists of any kind are dangerous and those that exhort their listeners to violence are very much to blame for such violence.
Beck portrays Obama, Democrats as vampires, suggests "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers."
Beck talks about "put[ting] poison" in Pelosi's wine.
Beck: "To the day I die, I am going to be a progressive hunter."
Beck's advice to Liberty grads: "Shoot to kill."
- 8 votes
redsfan wrote:
I wonder the same thing about how a Fox News pundit can influence ordinary Americans to violence...but they do and they have over and over and over again. Extremists of any kind are dangerous and those that exhort their listeners to violence are very much to blame for such violence.
He does say some strange things, but to my knowledge no one has ever strapped on a bomb because of one of his broadcasts.
Imam Awlacki (sp) on the other hand influenced the christmas plane bomber, the times square bomber, the army captain at Fort Hood, and I forget the other one directly linked to him. And he influenced all these individuals to violence, and he doesn't even have a tv or radio show.
How an Imam can influence ordinary muslims to violence is something I am having a hard time understanding.
The same way governments have done it for years, propaganda, fear mongering and lies. An Imam Convincing a normal person to strap a bomb to his chest and blow himself up is no different than a general a D-day in world war 2 to be the first guys out the door of the landing vehicles to storm the beach. The same way generals back in the day of Napoleon, convinced their soldiers to line up in an open field and face each other and start shooting, hoping you hit him first. It was a suicide mission then too. But they instill in them that it is their "duty" to die for <insert cause here> .
- 3 votes
jamithy1,
Your post is an oversimplification of such magnitude that it is at least useless and at most a lie. There are as many different motivations for the soldier to fight as there are wars. There have been occasions where the soldier fought on the basis of lies and occasions where soldiers fought knowing exactly what they were fighting for based on truth.
Drakkonis
actually, my point is this, If you find the right motivator you can even convince their own lives for a cause. We have soldiers who willingly sacrifice their lives for their country, some muslims willingly will sacrifice their lives (a la suicide bombing) for what they believe is the benefit of their faith.
The mind set and end result are the same, only the motivation and the means are different.
We don't understand their mindset because we don't take our religion as seriously as they do, but if you went back a few centuries you would find christians who also felt their religion was worth dying for.
To say that it is useless and possibly even a lie just shows that you are failing to understand the core elements.... MOTIVATION and MEANS, the end result is the same.
- 1 vote
actually, my point is this, If you find the right motivator you can even convince their own lives for a cause.
If this is your core element, then yes, I misunderstood and apologise. My problem with what you said is how you said it. It expressed to me the idea that no matter what the cause, all combatants are the same as these terrorists. I hope this is not what you meant.
If you find the right motivator you can even convince their own lives for a cause.
$5,000 was the average going rate for a suicide bomber in Iraq. Half paid upon acceptance, half paid upon completion.
So?.. There are lots of people pissed off at authorities because of a variety of reasons, and some of them go crazy. He did not attack the police station in the name of anything (such as Allah) or as part of a Holy War against infidels. He was probably truly upset because of some domestic reason and lost control over his actions. I do not thing we can compare such acts of pissed off people to the acts of terror that have been carefully engineered and delivered on purpose. This guy in Texas did not have any message except "Go f*** yourselves!" to deliver to anybody. Terrorists deliver messages for a greater cause such as their beliefs, and they do not mad at people who are their victims. So, comparing that guy in Texas to terrorists would be like compare a fight at a local pub to a planned and coordinated assault on somebody. Playing a race card in cases like this in Texas is nonsensical.
- 1 vote
#17 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:44 AM EDT"State records show Sharp was licensed by the Texas Department of Public Safety to work as a security guard in 2004. Three years earlier, he was licensed as a jailer by the Texas Commission on Law Enforcement Officer Standards and Education.........The fire set off ammunition in the truck but failed to ignite the trailer, which was filled with wood chips, ammonium nitrate, gasoline and road flares, Kowalski said." CBS news online
The trailer "bomb" is a TERRORIST kind of tactic doncha think?
- 8 votes
The trailer "bomb" is a TERRORIST kind of tactic doncha think?
I don't think so, just the most effective way to kill as many of the people he saw as the enemy in act. I don't think his goal was to terrorize the population or gain control through his act, I think it was purely to kill as many cops as he could because he was pissed off.
The army uses bombs all the time for exactly this reason, they are highly effective, Not to create terror.
- 2 votes
When I hear of or read about incidents like this, I wonder if Stanley Kubrik wasn't thoroughly prescient about the dawn of "intelligence" and the conversion of ape to man and of the inherent violence that is constantly lurking. I also wonder if it isn't a pregone conclusion that we are irrevocably destined to self destruct as a species.
It seems that mankind is at some sort of a cusp with his ongoing internal battle between the evil and wonderful natures that are constantly battling for control of his brain, between his medulla oblongata and the executive functions of the frontal lobes. It seems that regardless of our higher decision making processes, the results always seem to be tainted with the primitive. Today, our primitive has the upper hand, resulting in senseless murder, finger pointing, political fantasies and alignment with the forces that will create our destruction. Mankind seems to have run its course.
We are all schizophrenics by the design and the shortcomings of nature and if we don't manage to get a grip on our primitive selves whether true or not, and 2012 is rightfully postulated as a date of destiny and doom, we will make it so with our inability to control ourselves or we will short circuit so completely as to make an evolutionary jump into another species altogether. On the one hand we will destroy ourselves, on the other we will find the potential to finally master our minds. Nature won't forgive us if we screw it up, we will simply be destroyed and replaced with another experiment.
So, who's ready to make the jump?
- 1 vote
#19 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:15 AM EDTCall me crazy, but I'm guessing he's not a card-carrying member of PETA.
Could Have been!
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=2133509&nav=0RZFPXzw
In the mid-1990s, a WAVE 3 investigation found PETA gave more than $45,000 to the "support committee" of Rodney Coronado with the Animal Liberation Front. Coronado has been convicted of arson for a 1992 fire at Michigan State University that destroyed decades worth of mink research.
In 2001, PETA made a $1,500 donation to a group called the "Earth Liberation Front," which has claimed responsibility for fires set to luxury apartments, homes and SUVs in southern California. The FBI calls the Earth Liberation Front, and the Animal Liberation Front, the group Coronado was working for, "domestic terrorist" organizations, responsible for more than 600 crimes, and $43 million in damage since 1996.
They seem to like setting fires to get attention!
- 3 votes
#20 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:47 AM EDTGood response. Not!
2001 until 2010 seems to be the same run in years of the past, that they wait to do something stupid.
And how about that hayseed Ted Kaczynski, Huh?
- 4 votes
Remember PETA scolding Obama for swatting a fly?
You know, it was cremated at the PETA ceremony!
- 3 votes
@ Free Mason
Today we have 2 different types of blacks
Have an open mind. There are many more types of blacks than you mentioned in your statement.
I deal in facts, and the facts about black are: black is the original color and all other colors come from black. When black is mixed with another color it dominates the spectrum, and is passed on as such. BLACK IS A COLOR..... when talking about people just use the word people.
Here in America the color line has been obviously blurred over the years. The tendency to stereotype is still substituted for facts, and that is a fallacy. It is time to realize that Black Americans are no longer subject to believe and or accept anything. Demographics project the Hispanic population to grow fastest among any other, and yet it seems as if blacks still get the unwanted attention of the section of the populous to blame. Blacks have survived slavery, and oppression, and yet still have been able to elevate to the white house...right here in America. And I too am also a proud American. Embrace diversity America is the best example of what it means to do so.
- 3 votes
#22 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:35 AM EDTAnthony Truthbetold wrote:
Blacks have survived slavery, and oppression, and yet still have been able to elevate to the white house...right here in America. And I too am also a proud American. Embrace diversity America is the best example of what it means to do so.
Amen. This country would not be America without black Americans. The contributions are too numerous to list. Just American music (jazz and blues) is a monumental contribution that is recognized all over the world.
- 6 votes
#23 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:54 AM EDTYes it SHOULD be. But it seems that a huge segment of our society wants to falsely believe that all inequality in our country has been remedied. It has not. Women still get paid less, blacks still face discrimination in all facets of life in this country. Mexicans have been a favorite target of late, every person of hispanic decent has become responsible for our border security.
Yes the past 20-30 years have seen tremendous strides forward but that does not mean we quit walking because we got there, we haven't. Until people are judged on their individual merit we continue to move forward and yes appreciate the progress but continue to ask for more.
- 4 votes
The point of this discussion is not that there are more Muslim terrorists or non-Muslim terrorists. The facts are that there are plenty of hate motivated attacks from many different quarters. Check with Southern Poverty Law Center records on hate crime. The lesson to be taken from this is that hate rhetoric from the right is inciting a lot of this stuff and they ought to relize that they can't just spew hatred and not expect the crazies to act upon it. Political debate has boundaries of civility that need to be observed for the sake of maintaining order and preventing violence. The right does not seem to appreciate that and sometimes seems to relish the violence.
- 6 votes
#24 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:14 AM EDTI think this discussion shows my issue with American politics most clearly - it's about defacing the other side more than anything else. If this man was a conservative seems to be of no consequence - anyone can take a line of thought to an illogical extreme. Or will we go back to blaming Catcher in the Rye for John Lennon's death?
- 2 votes
#25 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:39 PM EDTIn case anyone here is interested in reading factual reports on the incident rather than baseless supposition:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hjMxwz1U-4OVS-TsdxAMV5uqJChQD9HM64M00
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/18/patrick-gray-sharp-gunman_n_686198.html
http://cbs11tv.com/local/Collin.County.Collin.2.1864290.html
Based on the evidence, profiling this fellow as a pod person is just as possible as the author's notion that he is a right-wing nut...
- 2 votes
#26 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:45 PM EDTFrom your local reports:
Sharp's roommate, Eric McClellan, told The Associated Press by phone that he was on vacation outside of Texas when he received calls from state troopers and his stepfather, telling him what happened.
McClellan said he was "still in shock," and that there was nothing about Sharp that would lead anyone to believe that he would try to attack police. "He was fine and dandy when I left Texas two days ago. And, all of a sudden, I get a phone call," McClellan said. "There's nothing I can say. He was a great guy, a good friend."
McClellan said that he was questioned about Sharp by police and could not provide them with much information.
McClellan said that he and Sharp kept guns in their residence because they like sports shooting. "We're Texans," he said. "We have the right to bear arms."
McClellan said that he was doing contract work for building wire manufacturer Encore Wire Corp. six years ago when he met Sharp, who was an employee of the company. They had been roommates for four years, he said.
Sharp now worked part-time at Powell Tree and Plant Farm, a landscaping business in Anna. The business is owned by Bobby Cox, McClellan's stepfather. Cox told CBS 11 News that Sharp was a nice, "quiet" person. "He was an angel. He was just a great guy. He was like a son to us," said Cox. "He was an excellent worker, and I would often get phone calls from customers praising Patrick's work that he had done in their yards."
Cox said that he was surprised by the shooting. "He was probably one of the nicest men I've ever known. I can't remember him saying anything or gave any indication that he would harm anybody."
After reading this, I don't think anything can explain this, especially not PWT.
- 3 votes
This guy needs to be charged to the fullest extent. What does it matter if e is a conservative or not? That's right it doesn't matter. It is almost like you are trying to find a conservative to fit in the place of Bill Ayers on the left. How many liberals will bring him down, none that I know of. Crime is crime, a political party isn't a crime. Tim Mcveigh was a domestic terrorist. If you want to play the game of let's see who commits the most crimes, it would be easy for each side to come up with plenty of instances.
#27 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:26 PM EDTcharged to the fullest extent? did you read the article? he is dead :P
- 6 votes
Yeah I did, now that you mention it, I read it again and was like, crap. I just pulled a Pelosi.
:) We have all done that... Just Pelosi more than the rest of us! ;)
- 2 votes
Well I realize this is just another opportunity for PWT to bash conservatives, but I'm going to give this a shot anyway. Ever since Aug 20, 1986, when a disgruntled employee killed himself and 14 others in a post office (an event commemorated with the phrase "going postal"), there have been many episodes of people shooting up places out of anger, frustration, or whatever their problem was. Try to remember the Lubys massacre in Kileen, TX, or the McDonald's massacre in California, and ask yourself, which category does this guy really fit into, lone killer or domestic terrorist? Recently Omar Thorton killed nine co-workers at the Hartford Brewery, shortly after Fox News ran with the NBPP story - yet NO ONE got on Newsvine and suggested Omar was some left-wing, NBPP terrorist! NO, they acknowledged the fact that he was a lone gunman, a disgruntled employee. Tragic, but that's all.
You want to talk profiling? With few exceptions, these individuals are white men. Come to think of it, so are most serial killers. And I believe PWT is a white man, hm....
- 2 votes
#29 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:47 PM EDTYou want to talk profiling? With few exceptions, these individuals are white men. Come to think of it, so are most serial killers.
Bingo. And there lay the point of the seed (and the stupidity of profiling).
- 3 votes
"Bingo. And there lay the point of the seed (and the stupidity of profiling)."
REALLY? You try to make a point about the "stupidity" of profiling by...PROFILING??? Hm, excuse me if I don't buy that.
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