Fox News Commenters Respond to Whitney Houston's Death With Deluge of Hatred and Racism

Bigoted arse wipe.. . this schmuck just doesn't deserve to breath air...that's all I can write about it.

You must understand...these people are only expressing how inferior they believe other races are. Every time a minority dies, these people inherit part of the Earth...like the 72 virgins thing. (sarc) Seriously though, when the rule of law falls on a massive scale for whatever reason, this country is gonna tear itself apart. What do you do as a normal and rational person to prepare for that? Buy guns?

Houston had her inherited problems and made a few more for herself. But on my worst day I could never be as hateful as the cretins are posting. She had abilities far above mine, because I couldn't carry a note in a wheelbarrow. She had deserved to be happy and rational on her 100th birthday.

I am rarely at a loss for words, but the truly disgusting pigs who are posting such vile comments are beyond words.

This is just appalling. How horrible it must be to live with that level of incessant hate in your heart.

Somebody sure has a lot of time on their hands.

But you know what this story doesn't point out? A number of these seemingly different comments come from the same two or three trolls. They're probably "liking" each others' comments. The story also doesn't mention that a lot of people over there are condemning these comments. For example:

"Typical of the bIack gene pool"??????

Your unabashed bigotry is unbelievable.

There are also a lot of pretty obnoxious comments on the MSNBC site.

Ya know what? There are some real big jerks in the world and unfortunately they have computers. Let's continue to condemn their hatred, but let's not try to classify whole blocks of people as being in league with them when they aren't.

These people feel so comfortable with their bigotry because ever since Obama was elected teh right not only tolerated their huge bigot wing, but they down right embraced them and promoted them. It cant be a wonder when their base does the same thing on their mouth piece "news" site.

Crap most of their base are parrots anyways, can it be surprising when they echo the racism their leaders encourage?

You don't have to dig deep to find this stuff.

I'd say you'd need to befriend the devil himself to say on the air or post garbage about Whitney Huston .

How about some references !

Fox didn't create this atmosphere of racism and intolerance but they sure know how to perpetuate it. They always seem to find a way to sink to an even lower level and appeal to the worst in our society.

Marty is spot on. There are a lot of keyboard kommandos on all these sites. Many of the most vicious thrive on getting a rise out of folks online because, I suspect, they are powerless little people with inferiority complexes in the real world. I know there are real bigots, real haters out there, but there's a lot of static from those who are unstable, are kids or are just desperately seeking some part of their life over which they can exercise some degree of influence if not control. As always, flag the comment, ignore the poster and head for greener pastures! :o)

TooManyPuppies

If you would judge people by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin , you might see a totally different person !

Fox news and hatred filled viewers are the scum of life. Do they really think for one minute that God wants a bunch of racist hate filled selfish jerks in heaven for all eternity? Rather they are the epitome of sheer evil. Earth and its trials show the strength of a person's character and resolve. Fox News and haters have failed miserably. So it will be bye bye for eternity, and I can think of no one but Hitler that deserves it as much as they.

I'd say you'd need to befriend the devil himself to say on the air or post garbage about Whitney Huston .

I disagree. The same thing happened when Amy Winehouse offed herself. Great talent from God wasted by drugs. It was not a shock that Amy died and it was not a shock that Whitney died. You could see both coming from a mile away but for all the adoring fans and millions of dollars, neither chose to get help for their addictions. They preferred drugs to life. That is not something to celebrate, although tonight a the Grammy's everyone will forget she was a junkie and praise her talent.

If an anonymous homeless 48 year old woman died of an overdose in an alley would you be saying you have to befriend the devil to say a bad word? Or is it just because Whitney sold a ton of records in the 80's and 90's that we all have to tip-toe around who she really was?

She cared more about herself and her next fix than she did about being a mother to her kids.

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You guys are being duped by plants intent on causing controversy. Most people who are that ignorant are probably too uninelligent to use a computer. Think about it. It's probably "Little Green Footballs" themselves inserting the comments and responding to each others remarks. It's a trick that is way overused.

Ron W.-1891955 fantasizing about your misguided attempts to influence what's going on must be hard on you when the truth comes out. You might spend some time on the Kos and take a look at the filth they get. Same thing over and over again and again. But then you won't

Don Overton - - - Don't be so easily duped by the actions of your own to cause dissention and justify your rage.

Every addict deserves our acknowledgement that it is a HORRIBLE condition and there are no success stories that are not preceded by their own horror show. Name calling is not valid in any manner and to place an entire group of people together as being the major group of abusers is denying that this all to common situation affects all colors of humans.

I agree with Tappy on his/her remark about Amy Winehouse and not being surprised at what happened, but to put in place the same disdain to drug abuse as to a homeless person, is hardly a fair equation. The reasons for drug or alcohol abuse are many and none of us can be the judge. Both the homeless and the famous are equally victims of our ignoring a CURE or treatment without great cost or humiliation.

Consider a world where if you go overboard on drugs, you can easily get treated. Sounds like something that would cause JOBS, sobriety, and far less crime. Most addicts would go for treatment if it was anything but cold turkey.

Our society is so hypocritical. Most people who are addicts have a drive within them to abuse themselves. They are either born with this tenancy or have had a negative experience that drove them to escape. Why should this be a humiliating act instead of a REAL medical problem?

Think about it.

I did. And your contention is, well, idiotic and likely a form of projection.

Roy-933464 -- Not sure anyone picked up on your question.

You must understand...these people are only expressing how inferior they believe other races are. Every time a minority dies, these people inherit part of the Earth...like the 72 virgins thing. (sarc) Seriously though, when the rule of law falls on a massive scale for whatever reason, this country is gonna tear itself apart. What do you do as a normal and rational person to prepare for that? Buy guns?

The ignorant are in charge because liberals were "too busy" or something to fight back. The only way to change the situation is to run for elected office on every level, local, city, county, state and federal or other posts like election judges etc. We must take back our government from the troops of the 1%.

One of the reasons the NRA emphasized the need for guns was they knew the 1%'s masquerade would eventually be exposed and all the millions who were disenfrancised on so many levels would rise up but see the NRA thought we'd come gunning for them but that not what we will do. We will take back our government legally. We will rewrite laws to help small businesses the real job creators. We will help American citizens find affordable housing and health care. We will support our fire fighters, teachers, nurses and police. Then the NRA will find some other reason for gun owners to think they have been hoodwinked and they will try to start a revolution which is what they have been trying to do for years because only the 1% will benefit from chaos.

Roy - Here's one:

axmax83 3 hours ago

every ni66er that becomes rich in show business dies poor. This one didn't even hit 50.

This one had over 4500 "likes" on that site which quite clearly does NOT welcome anyone not looking like them nor believing like them with open arms. Yeah, brand new and an obvious plant by LGF.

I don't know what race the a$$hole internet assassins were who posted the garbage in the article were, it really doesn't matter, because such hateful comments are always wrong, regardless of the race of the poster.

Since someone decided the subject of racism and Whitney Houston needed to be brought up, let's bring up the true racism that affected this beautiful and immensely talented singer, and that racism belonged to her fellow African Americans.

ANYONE who booed Whitney at the 1989 Soul Train awards or made any statement that she wasn't "Black enough" in her career choices should hang their head in shame today, because they helped set her up for the failure that was her life (not that she wasn't responsible for bad choices).

There's an enormous shadow hanging over this year's Grammy Awards and some of the darkest parts of it belong to Black artists and media members who decided that one of the most gifted and talented singers of all time needed to be molded to fit their racist ideals. Not all racism comes from White folks, but regardless of where it comes from, it's ALL wrong.

Susan Anthony, exactly what does your scary post (#1.21) have to do with the passing of the beautiful and gifted Whitney Houston??

I have been to many Narcotics Anonymous meetings although I never have been addicted to narcotics. My drug of choice was alcohol. People who have not been addicted do not know the pain these people go through, the pain they inflict on others and the heavy guilt they feel after they are clean, if they ever do get clean. It is not easy for them. As for the negative postings, these same anonymous people will go to work on Monday and greet their black co-workers with 'Good Morning' and 'How was your Weekend' as if all is well. They use their computer to spew their hatred. In person they are mere cowards.

Then the NRA will find some other reason for gun owners to think they have been hoodwinked and they will try to start a revolution which is what they have been trying to do for years because only the 1% will benefit from chaos.

SOMEBODY wants disharmony among races that's for sure...or at least the haves and have nots...not sure who that somebody is.

Susan Anthony, exactly what does your scary post (#1.21) have to do with the passing of the beautiful and gifted Whitney Houston??

xray, Susan was just looking for some human qualities in those trolls, suggesting that having been long manipulated by fearmongers to such a degree that the occasion of someone's death...a beloved singer even...a non-threat...is an opportunity to lynch mob together for some twisted form of comfort.

WHY am I NOT suprised that the scum on the reich are like that. They never cared for things or people "different" No matter the talent.

A RESPONSIBLE media would shut this site down until they could censor the offending voices.

I forgot to mention that Whitney was 24 or 25 when she was booed at the 1989 Soul Train Awards, so this was undoubtedly a major negative event early in her career, (which continued to skyrocket until her continued, likely substance abuse influenced, bad choices put it in free fall a decade or so later) and if she was already "inhaling", likely resulted in a multiple substance abuse bender !!

Since someone decided the subject of racism and Whitney Houston needed to be brought up, let's bring up the true racism that affected this beautiful and immensely talented singer, and that racism belonged to her fellow African Americans.

ANYONE who booed Whitney at the 1989 Soul Train awards or made any statement that she wasn't "Black enough" in her career choices should hang their head in shame today, because they helped set her up for the failure that was her life (not that she wasn't responsible for bad choices).

There's an enormous shadow hanging over this year's Grammy Awards and some of the darkest parts of it belong to Black artists and media members who decided that one of the most gifted and talented singers of all time needed to be molded to fit their racist ideals. Not all racism comes from White folks, but regardless of where it comes from, it's ALL wrong.

xray, sadly...partly true observations, but a far too shallow assessment...IMO. America has come a long way...some for the better...some not so much. I think that the exuders of the kind of ignorance of which you speak can definitely be identified beyond race these days. It's no longer just as simple as these people identifying with what their eyes can see or what's been pounded into their brains by imagery, media representation, or uppbringing. I think that is a sign of an even worse more dangerous kind of ignorance...more willfuly discriminate ignorance.

Hi xrayspexz: I was trying to answer Ray's question "What do you do as a normal and rational person to prepare for that? Buy guns?"

Ron W.-1891955

Never duped Ron just see the fantasy you use in your comments to try and steer things away from the truth and to bring others in to your fantasy must be something to it else why would other vote it up.

But-but-but aren't we using the"race card." By Republican rules, that's a no-no.

Looks like plain oil unadulterated white racism and supremacy to me.

People just redirect what they see on the media sources has for me she was just a despicable useless junkie that was useless when it come to real life situations. I feel real sympathy for her kids !!!

FauxNews minions responding with racism?

Duh.

Shocked,eh?

They preferred drugs to life

and Ms Whitney did obviously, and she showed us she did, plainly and willfully several times. She preferred drugs to being a star, to performing whole.

she should not be held on too high a pedestal...she chose her demise.

oh and @!$%# the fox bigot posters, @!$%#ing redtards.

Hey Mountain Mike - Did you just say:

"Looks like plain oil unadulterated white racism and supremacy to me."

What accent are you used to listening to, are you from the South? When people say "plain ol" ...., they mean "plain old", not plain oil.

You're showing your youth I think. No hard feelings I hope.

ANYONE who booed Whitney at the 1989 Soul Train awards or made any statement that she wasn't "Black enough" in her career choices should hang their head in shame today, because they helped set her up for the failure that was her life (not that she wasn't responsible for bad choices).

Actually, the person who turned her on to drugs was Bobby. Bobby got clean because he was divorced from Whitney and was broke and no one was going to hire him as a crackhead. Even now he's just comic relief and will never get back to the star that he used to be. Has it even been announced that she died due to drugs or is everyone just assuming that?

People just redirect what they see on the media sources has for me she was just a despicable useless junkie that was useless when it come to real life situations. I feel real sympathy for her kids !!!

Obviously she was more than some useless junkie. What concert halls have you ever filled out?

I would not be surprosed if they are Liberal troublemakers or "liberal publisher plants" inserted to cause stories to write about.

They and their coments are disgusting.

@ ron w. 1891955 # 1.11

i would say nice try ron, but it isn't. every time the racist in the right wing show their true colors there's always the likes of you that come out crying "we're being framed" or "those were left wingers posing as republican racist".

we heard similar incredible accusations when tea partiers were carrying racist signs (that is when the right wasn't totally denying they ever existed). they also claimed the dems leaked the information of herman cain's sexual harassment charge even though the man he had confided in was working for the rick perry campaign when it was exposed.

did you by any chance take note that every time one of your candidates make a racially insensitive statement, they quickly sprang to the top of the heap?

by the way, any excuses for the gop welcoming the white supremacist speaker to the cpac gathering? you might want to take your answer over to the nv article titled 'white supremacist showcased at cpac conservative conference'. there's a shortage of responses there. seems the right is having problems coming up with a defense for the indefensible.

Stupidity and jealousy make for a sad combination, dontcha think?

The fool who posted this, like a lot of white racists, had to grab hold of something to feel better when a n****r b***h manages to overcome her personal failings in order to become rich, famous and, in the case of Whitney Houston, possibly the best singer to ever step onstage in her genre of music when she was in her prime.

Wish I could remember who said this: "No matter how ignorant and benighted I may be, thank God that at least I'm not a n****r." This missing link who posted this diatribe is proof on the hoof of this.

RIP Whitney Houston.

the ignorance spouted by whoever wrote the garbage and who voted for it is disgusting.

kharma...thats all I have to say on this subject.

oh and pieces of @!$%# also comes to mind.

I know I cant speak for every right winger....but all the ones I know wouldnt dare say that crap...and I hope if there is left wing plants who say @!$%# like that to get a rise........I dont think I know any that would do that either.

Marshall James I believe Grae on #1.22 gave reason to suspect that there are no plants from the left. That logic is just a distraction and nothing more.

Here's one from someone who calls himself "texas_maddog":

Whitney's biggest talent was being a "c r a c k_h o"

http://disqus.com/texas_maddog/

5007 comments left on the Fox News site, 2248 "likes" received. "liberal plant"? No, well-liked regular.

Apparently, on-topic, dissenting comments are not allowed.

LOL!

I seriously doubt that Whitney's first taste of the sticky icky or snarf of Peruvian marching powder came after she met Bobby Brown (she did become famous in the "snow blind" '80's, after all), but if it somehow did, her decision to hook up with a "bad boy" might well have come as a desire to gain "street cred" with the "keeping it real" crowd.

No matter what turns out to be the immediate cause of her demise, there can be little doubt that YEARS and YEARS of serious abuse of multiple substances contributed to it. A truly sad ending, no matter what turns out to have caused it.

Sounds like some of the people I've been around all my life. Jealous of the skills of another, they display joy at their weaknesses that cause the talented ones pain.

Addiction to drugs, alcohol, sex, ... is nothing to rejoice over. It is a cry for help. Those who hate on them are; self assured, petty, low life, ignorant, self absorbed used tampons, full of a bloody discharge and unwelcome except by those who are also of the same lack of quality.

Just because a person has an enormous talent in one area does not make them invulernable in other areas.

I'm sorry for the grief of her life, I'm glad for the joy she brought many with her beautiful singing.

I hope she found peace before she passed and is in a better place.

If you really look at the scorecard, the racists keep losing. From the Civil War to the Civil Rights Act - all losses for them. They are bitter because they are losers

Whitney & Michael, collectively are worth over a $1,000,000,000 dollars.

The racists on those posts can probably scraped together a few thousand, so who's the real low life?

Meet their hate with love and peace.

In 1995 I had the great pleasure of being associated with her tour and will never forget spectacular shows she put on in Philly, Baltimore but just an incredible show we did with her in DC. I had the opportunity to stand just off stage, the proverbial stage left, and watch her as she put on a performance that I will never forget.

It pained me to watch her decline over the years, she was such a nice person. Though I can't call her a friend, she was ALWAYS kind and polite with my staff and me.

We love you, we'll will miss you and you will always be in our hearts,

RIP Whitney

Like A Comet
Blazing 'Cross The Evening Sky
Gone Too Soon

Like A Rainbow
Fading In The Twinkling Of An Eye
Gone Too Soon

Shiny And Sparkly
And Splendidly Bright
Here One Day
Gone One Night

Like The Loss Of Sunlight
On A Cloudy Afternoon
Gone Too Soon

Like A Castle
Built Upon A Sandy Beach
Gone Too Soon

Like A Perfect Flower
That Is Just Beyond Your Reach
Gone Too Soon

Born To Amuse, To Inspire, To Delight
Here One Day
Gone One Night

Like A Sunset
Dying With The Rising Of The Moon
Gone Too Soon

Gone Too Soon

Michael Jackson - Gone Too Soon

This article is a blatant lie. Trying to make it sound like Fox News texted these things. Baring false witness, and creating subterfuges, is the democrat way. However, we can watch the racist remarks, spew out of their mouths, and we have video of there speeches.

You on the other hand, have nothing but people texting.

I challenge any of you, let's see who the racist are, evidence must be a speech in video format, after all Paul we are here for the truth, are'nt we? well what say you, are you all going to run and hide/

Grae - - - #1.22

Here's one:

axmax83 3 hours ago "This one had over 4500 "likes"

I'm sorry Grae, I looked through all 5000 or so comments on the article and THERE WERE NO COMMENTS that received 4500 "likes". Major fail in factual reporting on your part.

It seems a little unlikely that you would make a mistake as egregious as that which leads one to think that you were being a bit disingenuous in your comment or just trying to incite a response which could bring ridicule upon the FOX site.

I did see aquite a few racist remarks (their origin probably being a mixture of truly vile people and just as many by liberal plants trying to bring discredit the site). But I also saw a healthy amount of sorrow at the passing of Houston and anger at the toll of drug use and the effects it has on both the famous and infamous people in life (both Black and White).

I even saw a few Liberal / Progressive types who could not mask their hatred of Rush Limbaugh and other Conservatives who have battled with drug abuse and the death-wishing for them (which really shows no righteous distinction between the ones you complain about and those death-wishing white conservatives).

So you can get off your high horse and realize that the name calling problem is one that is not only prevalent in Racist circles but also on your own Liberal / Progressive side of human behavior.

Trying to make this a Fox problem, a Conservative problem, a white racist problem, or any other group behavior problem other than your own is quite a bit disingenuous and an attempt to credit your own ideology as blameless.

It doesn't fly. You should be ashamed.

well what say you, are you all going to run and hide

Please go away!!!!

@ lcs # 1.50...

is the white supremacist speaker at the gop cpac conference a blatant lie too? is my statement that each time one of the candidates made a racist statement their favor rate skyrocketed. which of the gop tales are you going to run with? the people carrying the racist signs at the tea party rallies "were left wing plants" or "the signs never existed"?

the kkk displayed their cowardess by covering their faces but they never denied what they stood for.

Ron - The USER has 4500 likes, not any one comment. Check his Disqus profile. Your contention was that racist comments were being made by liberal plants. That's just demonstrably untrue. We have documented evidence of right wing plants in crowds and right wing spies at meetings so your assertions were nothing more than "We do it, they must be worse." It's called projection.

or we do it but let's blame them.

LOL

All you folks trying to defend Fox News.

Who cares whether there was 4500 likes or just one bigotted comment standing alone in a chat room.

The condemnation is exactly the same.

The Fox News site is full of racist hatred. Find any story about President Obama on that site and you will find that the example illustrated in this story is a true one.

What is absolutely clear is that the folks that view Fox News are quite often simply incapable of recognizing racist language when they see it. Nor are they aware of the negative impact that such attitudes have on our entire society.

Just look at the thread of this vine above...

Ron, blaming "liberal plants" is an act of desperation to defend what is blatant racism.

There is indeed an inordinate number of racist trollers on fox nation, and an even greater number who silently agree.

the vine can indeed have some idiots as well, but far far fewer overall.

I used to comment there, instead of here - but I got sick of the poor moderation and the tacit support given to those bigots by other comments.

Well it would be nice if we could understand what you were talking about...

Well it would be nice if we could understand what you were talking about...

I, personally, could care less. His defense is enough for me.

I wont use the 1964 civil rights vote

Why not? Afterall, almost all the significant Dixiecrats left the Democratic Party afterward and joined the Republican ranks (like Strom Thurmond), soon followed by Nixon's Southern Strategy which quite specifically targetted segregationists in the South for support. A strategy continued by Reagan and still being employed to this day.

In fact we wont, use the fact the it was the first republican president that freed the slaves

The party of Lincoln is not the current GOP, complete demographic and platform switch on social issues since the 60's.

You can try to take facts out of context and put them out there as if they support your argument, but sadly the truth is there for anyone capable of doing 5 minutes of research as to the actual history of political parties.

There is indeed an inordinate number of racist trollers on fox nation, and an even greater number who silently agree.

That's the point, yes.

Shuklack

Not to worry, I wont use those. Do you need more of a handicap?

Black people have been demonized in life and death from the beginning. Why? Because blacks do not control the narrative.

I have seen several reports on Whitney's death done by responsible black journalists that paint a much more positive picture. Not one that ignores her troubles, but one that shows the type of human being she was with other people. Countless young stars have recalled the encouraging words or advice that they received from Whitney. Not one accusation of hateful criticism. People that worked with her in bands and on sets have commented on her abiltiy to be down to earth. Stars, white and black have spoken of her penchant for embracing them with a hug when they would meet.

This is not a bad person. This is someone who got sidetracked for whatever reasons. The damage she did, while particularly acute for her daughter and mother, was more to herself than anyone else. She brought joy into our lives with her music. I would never trade the feeling of hearing a Whitney Houston song for a hateful report from FOX.

I wont use those.

No, please do use them.

Do you need more of a handicap?

Obviously, I'm not the one in need of a handicap - as I've demonstrated in 1.62.... or did that post go over your head?

Makes GOP debate audiences look civil.

Faux Noise, bug light to nuts and morons.

Here's a comment from a post about Adele's performance at the Grammys on the "Fox News Nation" site:

A true American singer that we can understand with good American morals. She is so much more than those cheap whorish yellers Thank you and bless you Adele for adding class to the industry.

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/adele/2012/02/13/watch-adele-s-amazing-performance-rolling-deep#ixzz1mGpjJQT9

Uhh...

I seriously doubt that Whitney's first taste of the sticky icky or snarf of Peruvian marching powder came after she met Bobby Brown (she did become famous in the "snow blind" '80's, after all), but if it somehow did, her decision to hook up with a "bad boy" might well have come as a desire to gain "street cred" with the "keeping it real" crowd.

Seriously? Street cred? Keeping it real crowd? Neither of those terms became popularly used phrases until well after Bobby and Whitney had been married. And prior to their marriage they dated for three years, so I'm sorry.

I hear you, Zen. Aside from that, what made Whitney Houston's background any less "real" or worthy of "street cred" than Bobby Brown's?

A true American singer that we can understand with good American morals. She is so much more than those cheap whorish yellers Thank you and bless you Adele for adding class to the industry.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE is soooooooooooooooo not American!!!!! Helluva a singer, yes! Love her, but she is not an American!

CC,

Well it would be nice if we could understand what... [LCS was] talking about...

"I, personally, could care less. His defense is enough for me."

With those words you sum up the folly of the Right's position.

With FAUX News how can anything surprise us.

Nothing new here.

These ARE the people that watch FAUX, bigits, anarchists, mental deviants, birthers, and just plain weird people.

LCS:

#1.50

I challenge any of you, let's see who the racist are, evidence must be a speech in video format, after all Paul we are here for the truth, are'nt we? well what say you, are you all going to run and hide/

Hahahaaaa hahahaaa hahahaaaa !!! So you want to set the boundaries as to what you will accept as proof ?? You lose right from the start. You have made a set of circumstances where by you can claim there is very little evidence.

I'll not go by the rules set up by a person of no apparent integrity- as is evidenced by your refusal to accept the comon sense, and evidence of Reich wing prejudiuce from many posts and statements made right here on the Vine- nice try to spin things to your parties advantage. Major fail.

cowboygrandpa

My challenge is quite simple. The reason I said video evidence, is people complain about the source. What better source is there? Than to watch, the lies and racial remarks, come from their mouths. I even gave the libs a handicap, won't use the fact it was the first republican president who freed the slaves, Abraham Lincoln, and that it was a democrat Truman that dropped 2 atomic weapons on the Japanese children, or it was JFK 1961 who started dropping agent orange, on the children who lived in the jungle of Vietnam. Are their anymore handicaps the libs need, all I ask is that there be no deletions, closing posts is ok, because people can open to see the truth. What say you?

The point that is missing is the involement of the media entertainment machine. This machine that builds illogical worship for any entertainer. Also drives the entertainer into unrealistic expectations. The drugs are a means of control. Same as a pimp holding out on the heroin to keep in control. Each half hearted attempt to rehab only deepens the addiction.

I like to add that this same metaility is how american public has been controlled for the last 50 years. The addiction of returning America back to the good ole daze is a promise that is just as undefined as what people get from takeong drugs....

People posting this nasty stuff about black people are real jerks.

If they paid attention like the rest of us, they would know that it's only acceptable to call names, insult, and stereotype whites. We better drill more anti-white hatred into the minds of schoolchildren so they won't grow up to be racists.

You know, we all know that this is your way of defending those comments.

Cue "plausible deniability" in 1..2...

LCS:

The biggest handicap to being a reasonable person is being a conservative with no place to go except farther right.

I would take the time to explain why to you. But you would jusy deny it like the rest of those whose political understanding is based upon an us against them mentality.

It shouldn't be like that, because that is the very reason we have racism, wars, greed, stupidity, ...

@Ron W.: Much the same way this piece has been deceitfully titled to imply that the commentators are those who appear on the television, instead of the actual random web users that are posting this garbage. If one had a good piece to post one would not have to resort to trickery to get it noticed. Shame again on this author.

Tesla - The word is "Commenters" not "Commentators." Are you saying that right wingers are confused by the difference? The story is clear as is the headline. Shame on those who would try to confuse the real issue by blaming the messenger.

No one is trying to give the impression that these comments are from Fox News' on-air commentators. The first sentence says "There are almost 5000 comments in this thread". Anf the title begins "Fox News commenters"...". not "Fox News commentators...". It's very clear that the reference is to blog commenters.

Naw Grae I see it now. My apologies for the mistake, but not for my assertion. If I took it that way at first glance I am sure I am not alone. I see what the first sentence says. But that is not what you see until you get here. Clear? no I do not think so. And I bet if honesty were an actual practiced policy among libs many here would admit they were drawn here thinking as I did.

And still deflecting. I wasn't confused and most of those who took the first ten seconds to read the headline and first line of the article weren't, either.

Notice that I was the second person to actualy respond to the thread and see what I wrote. The confusion and deflection is all from the right.

Grae it was a blatant subterfuge, a lie. You know it, and we all know it. If it was'nt the title would be, "Look at what these racists texted" As we all can see, the libs are afraid of the truth.

Cowboygrandpa it is either yes or no, anything in between, is a lie, from the evil one.

#1.12:

If you would judge people by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin , you might see a totally different person !

Are you saying that if he were to judge the people who left racist comments on that Fox News thread by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin, he "might see a totally different person"?

Just confirms what we already knew about FOX addicts, and what it means to be part of the "conservative" movement.

Wow, if you read the headline and accidentally read it as "commentators", you can really think you're coming into a different thread, that much is certain. I wonder, was that intentional? lol...

Who cares what blog commenters say...for all of the myriad reasons above. Really. Who gives a @!$%#?

I flipped between all of the networks this weekend, I think the commentators all did as good a job as they could considering the situation.

Personally, I'm a Slayer fan, and Whitney's music really isn't anywhere near my music library - but all of humanity lost something a few days back. The woman's voice was simply amazing...and her ability to pour her soul into her music and engage the audience, just with the sound of her voice - awe-inspring. It simply inspired awe. Her story of being literally and figuratively at the top of this ball of granite, and how simple it can be to drag oneself (or for one to be dragged) to the bottom is a cautionary tale many should heed.

She will be missed.

I especially admired Geraldo's depiction of her marriage to Mr. Bobby Brown, and how that may very well have been one of the causes (or *the* main cause) of her untimely departure. The man certainly put out there what a lot of us must have been thinking and/or feeling.

republicans

If they aren't racists over on the right how come they had a white supremacist give a speech right before Palin at CPAC???

LCS:

#1.85

Again you fail to see that you are in a box I will not put myself into.

So I suppose to you the Bible is from an evil one ?? Because it contains the Way to obtain Mercy, Truth, and Love.

I will not limit myself to your way of thinking !!! How much more clear need I be ?? If you think you are so smart as to be able to trap people into your views, you are less intelligent than I give you credit for.

My dad rotuinely refers to blacks as "jungle bunnies" or "jigaboos" in private. But my dad claims he is not a racist.

And oh, my dad has give 3 speeches over the years to the NAACP. He also is very proud of his photos of him and my mom shaking hands with Jimmy Carter and another of him shaking hands with Bill Clinton. My dad was a leading member of the Democrat party in his southern state. My dad is an ultra-liberal.

100% of my deadbeat uncles, cousins, etc in Brooklyn, NY are Democrat. 100% of my deadbeat uncles, cousins, etc call blacks "n_ggers".

So this guy who posted this thread should stop blaming the conservatives since his party is loaded with racists.

Wow. You just said all that about your father, topped it off by saying that he's ultra-conservative, then you say the seeder should stop blaming the conservatives for racism.

I fixed it. I meant to say "ultra-liberal"

in his southern state

Thats the problem,,,the southern states...we should have let them go when we had the chance.

A liberal in SC would be considered a right wing nut anywhere outside of the south....hell nowadays Reagan would be considered a liberal in SC.

Wrong Chief. My dad was a member of the Communist Party once. He thinks Obama is too conservative. ANd my dad is from NYC.

red neck...:

Hahahahahaaahahaaaa !!!

Thanks for the jokes.

I think the comments are completely out of line, and anyone who knows me knows I hate Fox News. But I don't believe this is a Fox News thing. They know this would hang them. There are just some real low life's out there and they cut lose on Fox's site. I would hope that Fox would delete the comments and perhaps make a statement that they do not represent the sentiments of Fox News or their employees.

Gramps,

LMFAO! Typical liberal response: Get all whupped up on in a debate and what do libbies respond with: "You joke" Or "You lie" LOLOL!

Liberals! God love em! LMFAO!

Red Neck, you just don't get it do you??

It's not just republicans that are racists, it's also southern people.

Honestly, the left is so damn hypocritical about wanting to stop racism and wanting it to be a thing of the past it is not even funny! They whine and snivel about anonymous comments on Fox News website regarding Whitney Houston but a major incident regarding a black left wing talk show host, Thaddeus Matthews, and how he treated a black GOP candidate, Charlotte Bergman, and in the 12 days since it has been on Newsvine it has only had 2 comments made about it. There has been no mention of it on national news outlets and Little Green Footballs has no mention of it on their website.

Tell you what, if you are against racism be against racism, but please do not try and hold moral high-ground when it is obvious that all you are doing is masquerading your hatred for the right behind acceptance of racism by your own party while berating the right for the very same intolerance!

I get it Angry. I live in the deep south. Yet the biggest racists I know are my drunk uncles and pothead cousins in NYC. They hate the "n_ggers" as they call them, with a passion. And they are all Democrats because they like their welfare checks and food stamps. They just don't think blacks should also get it.

Please, what about all those welfare checks and food stamps going to the trailer parks??? They are all conservative christians.

I know lots of pubs on welfare. What do you call them, other than misinformed?

red neck...:

Wow you make it sound like you are the best of the bunch.

What a thing to consider. ;~(( :~((

Angry Left,

Southern people? That is odd, there are black people in the south, so they are racists also? So I am guessing that EVERYONE in the south is racist?

Thats very correct Jarhead.....they are all racists.

(Semper Fi by the way (A 1/11 13th MEU (SOC) Somalia))

"They are all conservative christians."

LMFAO! so ALL christians are conservatives? LOL!

I went to college in Kentucky and married this hillybilly broad from Appalachia. Ole Pappy is a backwoods, southern baptist preacher. She is one of 20 children. Only 2 of the 22 (parents included) voted for GWB in 2000. And these 2 were her brothers who were in the military. The other 20 voted for Gore. And these people were kooks! A few even did the snake-handling thing once or twice.

Sounds like you have fallen for the lamestream media lies, hook, line and sinker.

Linda,

So you are saying that to be a Democrat you must toe the line otherwise you are "misinformed"?

so ALL christians are conservatives?

No redneck, it's just that the ones in the south would have you believe that....GUNS FOR JESUS!!!!

I'm from SC, I can tell you all about those good old fashioned southern christian white folk.

LCS,

Please restate your challenge, clearly and concisely.

That's funny Angry. I have neighbors who are NY Jews who are conservative and sh_tkickin, good ole boy neighbors who hated GWB.

My point is that there are millions of liberals like my dad who I consider racists. Yet the seeder thinks it's just a bunch of conservatives who are racist.

The standard of the Marine Corps huh???

I bet you still shave your head.....I bet you think only "good Marines" vote republican??

The Marine's are what turned me into a socialist....while you keep voting to elect right wing war hawks that could give 2 @!$%#s and a @!$%# about your life.

Jarhead,

So you return a courtesy with a slap because you are disagreeing with someone?

You're right he shouldn't have tried the semper fi thing with you. You are apparently unable to return such an honorable courstesy, with grace.

Always faithful. To what, if not your fellow soldiers?

I mean if you and Angry Left are on the front lines taking fire, are you going to back him up or not? Or are you gonna be all pissy because he said something you didn't like in the chow line?

I wouldn't let a right wing fascist jesus loving redneck at at my back any more.

They have allegiances that run deeper..

Jarhead,

"You are incorrect, they are NOT all racists. There are racists EVERYWHERE, in both parties, in all states, and in all organizations."

Exactly. That was the point I was trying to make. My dad knows Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter and he is a Democrat leader. Yet he is also a racist.

Angry,

Your name suits you well dude. Not sure I have ever seen anyone so angry. You should give up liberalism and become a capitalist like myself. We are a fun, happy bunch! Make some money and spend it! It helps the economy and keeps you out of the welfare line.

I'm no where near the welfare line and will never want to be some greedy heartless two faced money worshiper.

I'm way beyond "liberal"....I love how the right envisions "lefties" as effeminate anti gun tree hugging sandal wearing seal loving homosexuals driving a prius.

Angry Left,

Nope, you are wrong on most counts. I still keep my hair short, I still fly the flag and it bothers me when I see it flown improperly, and I think a Marine can vote for whomever they wish. But I will not carry on a pleasant exchange with someone that is so blatantly ignorant to say the entire South is racist when had you spent any time down there you would know that it is a completely false statement.

And as for the "warhawks' you are referencing, I served with a lot of guys that believe/believed in what we went to war for and why we are still at war. Just because you did not believe in it does not mean that it was wrong.

As for you turning into a socialist, well, quite frankly, who cares? You can blame the Marines for whatever you want, they taught me to stop blaming everyone else for what I am and take responsibility for my own life. You must have been in sick bay that day.

flameaway,

I dont have fellow soldiers, I have fellow Marines. And yes, I do return a greeting with a slap when someone makes comments like that. Apparently you did NOT read what I typed and read that I served with guys from the South that were not racists and would lay their life on the line for ANYONE of ANY color. So you see, I AM being loyal to my brother Marines that I served with in defending the fact that they are not racists, the same ones that Angry Left is calling racists. You insult the brothers that I served with you are not a brother of mine.

Red,

I'm way angrier than Angry. :)

Capitalist aren't a happy bunch, you are a greedy bunch. Not only that, those of you that like to mix religion into politics are a deluded bunch.

There's a difference between happy and oblivious...

Angry Left,

I'm way beyond "liberal"....I love how the right envisions "lefties" as effeminate anti gun tree hugging sandal wearing seal loving homosexuals driving a prius.

Yeah, because only and idiot would make a blanket generalization about en entire group, right?

Listen, I grew up and they had klan marches. A community that will allow the klan to march, and still march is racist.

Lining the streets with cheering adoring fans during those marches is racist. Not fighting that message with everything you can is racist. Standing around and allowing a racist flag to fly overt the state capitol is racist. Flying the same flag that the klan flies is racist.

Try having a klan parade in Seattle and see what happens.

By not saying anything, it says plenty.

PAUL WILLIAM TENNEY,

ANGRY LEFT CALLED YOU A RACIST!

(after all he is a free lance writer living in North Carolina)

Fine, I will revise my statement.....

The MAJORITY in the south is racist. I feel sorry for the others that are stuck in that environment, and suggest they leave as soon as possible.

Angry Left,

You are not going to believe this but guess what ... the Southern Poverty Law Center shows KKK memberships in ALL states.

Active Ku Klux Klan Groups

And this is from a group ... hope you are sitting ... their offices are located at 400 Washington Ave., Montgomery, AL 36104.

Isnt that crazy? Obvious racists FIGHTING racism. You know with them being from the south and all.

Jarhead,

People that make distinctions between soldiers and Marines are called idealogues. Which is basically a fancy way of saying you pick and choose which 'brothers' you back. (Didn't you have any sisters in arms?) You wouldn't back up an army private under fire?

Here's a newsflash for you. Some of your fellow marines are racists. I know, I've talked with them. Apparently like Jack Nicholson bellowed, "You can't handle the truth."

Some marines do all or any of the horrible things human people to each other, no matter the globe and anchor on their collar. If we can't face this honorably without cutting our own throats...

I'm talking about esprit de corp, not just semper fi. You don't spit on a fellow marine in public. When you do so you dishonor all marines.

Over a disagreement on the vine...

Angry Left,

So you are saying that not only were you wrong but that people should run away from fighting injustices? THAT is why I turned down your Semper FI!

Pathetic! Leave those that are being victimized alone, those that can not fight for themselves, those that are too poor to leave.

Run away! You should not have joined the Marine Corps you should have joined Monty Python's Flying Circus!

flameaway,

It is apparent you opted to bring ignorance to a gun fight. You are using movie references versus real life?

And yes, you do publicly denoucne other Marines that are defiling the uniform, that is how you clean up the service. So you are saying that the Marines that urinated on the corpses should have been shown support by other Marines on Newsvine because they were marines also? By showing others that you will not tolerate public acts of idiocy by other Marines you are making clear that there is a standard to be met by wearing that eagle globe and anchor, not given a pass becasue you wear it. By not denouncing publicly either despicable acts or statements by another Marine you disgrace all those that uphold the honor of the Corps.

And yes, I know that there are racists in the Marine Corps, but apparently you seem to think that because someone puts on the Marine Corps uniform they should be offered a pass and automatically treated with respect. I look past the uniform and look at the person wearing it.

And tell you what, next time you are face to face with a Marine tell him that he/she is an idealogue and that they should not seperate themselves from the rest of the branches. Let me know how that goes.

Fact is, and be honest, all you are trying to do is spoil for a fight. Your logic is flawwed, you know nothing of what you are trying to speak of, and it is blatently obvious that you know nothing of the culture within the services.

Rarely have I read so much crap in one place.

flameaway,

Now you can confirm this with angry left regarding the other branches but the fact is that the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard are like one giant dysfunctional family. We fight amongst ourselves, we bicker, and it is true, we dont all like one another. But when push comes to shove, and someone is sending rounds downrange trying to put out our lights, the branch and the insignia comes off and we are all Americans and will kill the ever loving @!$%# out of whomever wants to do my fellow American harm.

If you cant understand that then that explains why you need bull@!$%# Hollywood movies to reference versus personal experience.

@ lcs...1.59...

since you're giving so much credibility to video ( as one should in most cases) this must mean you're not one of the right wingers who claim even though tea partiers are on video carrying racist signs, the signs never existed.

Jarhead,

I used the movie reference to make a point. It's an easily recognizable cultural clip. I do that. You'll need to develop the ability to handle it.

Concerning the rest...

You can justify yourself however you want.

ZeroX,

#1.130

Glad you felt it necessary to drop your own load.

:)

flameaway,

You can justify yourself however you want.

You just flamed out. You just used the equivalent of the teenager's "whatever". The last act of desperation. What next? "I know you are but what am I?"

Face it, you can no longer argue your point because it was based solely on the intent to avenge the snub given to Angry Left. You were fighting a losing cause from the start. Next time, pick your battles better and try logic versus emotion. I will however give you kudos how you tried to stick up for him, very sweet of you.

And that YOU will have to learn to handle.

Paul William Tenney,

My apologies, at my request could you please delete my posts that are off track. My intent was not to derail but it is apparent that I was part of that.

#1.101, I watched as much of that stupidity as I could stand, which turned out to be a few minutes, so I couldn't make it to the cited part about him saying her "white will rub off" on him. Is that racist? Yes. Is him accusing her of being a figurehead for "whites", with no qualifications, racist? Yes. Is his wanting to know if she's affiliated with the Tea Party racist? No.

Is that guy racist? Yes, for the reasons I cite above. Now, his hostility toward her for being a black movement conservative is pretty harsh...much more harsh than usual, by the way, but it's not necessarily racist. I've noticed time and time again that white liberals and conservatives can go at it like cats and dogs, and it's mostly just seen as politics. On the other hand, there's this attitude, especially on the part of conservatives, that this is completely out of bounds when it happens between black liberals and conservatives. Or, I should say, it's out of bounds for liberal blacks. No such perceived prohibition exists when it comes to conservative blacks being hostile toward the rest of us.

I doubt that it would even cross the mind of a white conservative to assert that he/she absolutely deserves a seat at the liberal table, but there's also this attitude that black movement conservatives do deserve such a thing, and that they should never be criticized by the rest of us. Again, no such perceived prohibition exists in terms of them criticizing us. Disregard the extreme bluster of that radio host, and tell us how he's any different than someone like Jesse Lee Peterson....except that Peterson excoriates liberal blacks in terms that harsh. Is Peterson a racist? That's not a rhetorical question.

irene46

Like I said, produce which you are talking of, I acknowledge on both sides there is racism. You seen us at the foot of the first elected republican president Abraham Lincoln, and were talking 100s of thousands, and there was no problem. Then compare to other rallies, with a couple of thousand.

Racism is for the ignorant. When I was 18, station in Germany, we would get together and play music. One weekend we travel to Belgium, France, and Holland. I thought wow, these countries are small. Why, being so close, do they speek different languages. (Of course there is the story of the Tower of Babel) but I marveled at these things. Spain is only 30 miles from Africa, across the Strait of Gilbralter. My point is to many people sell there ancestors short. Do you think your ancestors, never traveled? In their travels, they had relations, with other people. People say I am this race, and I am that race. We are all brothers and sisters. Race is used by people, to keep us divided. These people are false, and have nothing to offer.

Plantsmantx,

I am not familiar with Jesse Lee Peterson but if he does speak in terms that I heard this radio talk show speak in he should be added to the list of racist talk show hosts.

My issue is that I am tired of seeing on Newsvine the constant denouncing of conservatives as being racists when there are examples within the left of the very same actions being overlooked. And then when brought to light hearing "But you have more of them!".

Is racism acceptable when done by any political persuasion but only done is smaller doses? Racism is wrong regardless of who does it and regardless of in what quantity and for those on the left on this thread to act as though they are squeaky clean while the right is as white as a newly laundered hood is not only disingenuous but also insulting to those that are the victims of it as though the left is allowed because we are "on the same side".

Either racism is wrong or it is not, and if it is wrong it should be rooted out by those that find it unacceptable regardless of where it is found and the perpetrator excoriated for it.

Plantmantx,

Another example; why is Jesse Jackson Jr. still viewed as a mouthpiece within the left when he on national television stated that President Obama's nuts should be cut off? Now the reference was all about President Obama's message to black churchgoers and the message was a positive one about intellectual options for their children.

But yet he is still invited on the main stream media outlets for his opinions.

And yes, I am also tired of the Limbaugh "Magic Negro" @!$%#. Just because someone else started it does not give license to continue it. I washed my kids mouth out with Dial for using the f-bomb even though Jimmy next door was where they heard it.

Jarhead,

Fine by me. :)

I am not familiar with Jesse Lee Peterson

Check him out and get back to us. Seriously. I'll be waiting to read your impressions.

"But you have more of them!"

But...you do have more of them. When anti-black resentment is an integral part of movement conservatism, how can you not have more of them?

Is racism acceptable when done by any political persuasion but only done is smaller doses?

The individual instances of it are equally unacceptable, but that doesn't mean that the comparative level of it between liberals and conservatives is irrelevant. It's not...not by a long shot.

Obama's message to black churchgoers and the message was a positive one about intellectual options for their children.

Saying that you want to see someone's balls cut off under any circumstances is over the line, no doubt. But was it racist on Jackson's part? That's arguable. If he perceived Obama as playing a "Sister Soulja" game, using black people in general...collectively, instead of just one black individual (or even group of individuals), as a pawn, is Jackson's objection a racist one?

#1.111 reported as inflammatory+

Plantsmantx,

One other thing, if you are going to comment about a video, watch it. You know full well that when you watch a video on the web you can skip ahead. Go to minute 11:50 and you will see how this woman is treated.

LOS ANGELES – Whitney Houston, who reigned as pop music's queen until her majestic voice and regal image were ravaged by drug use, erratic behavior and a tumultuous marriage to singer Bobby Brown, died Saturday night. She was 48.

First paragraph from the article.

Now, on to the comments, yeah bunch of @!$%#heads. I'll bet they are not just from people on the Right, there's racist @!$%#s in all facest of life, that includes the left, that's a fact.

Man you guys are awesome at reading between the lines, at first glance I wouldnt have noticed the racist fueled hatred in that paragraph, majestic voice and regal image, OH THE HORROR!! Damn you Fox and your racist articles.

don overton,

you have got to be @!$%#ting me? Out of all the statements made on this thread you find that to be the one thing that is inflammatory? You really are thin skinned arent you? Why dont you tell us what was inflammatory about it?

Damn compuer, anyways as far as the comments go, yeah they're @!$%#heads all of em.

The thing is the left refuses to accept that theres racists on their team, I would LOVE to see the party affiliation of all those @!$%#s, a good portion of them would be left leaning, the biggest racist I ever met was a token memeber of the KKK and was a lifelong Teamster and voted D. for 45 years without fail. Actions speak louder than words, screaming doesnt change that.

Yet is all about rightey, right?

plantmantx,

thank you, you made my point clear. You are not concerned with those on your side that are racist, you are to busy hollering and screaming that all of the racists are on the right. You make excuses for Jesse Jackson's comments but had they been made by someone on the right they would have been IMMEDIATELY taken as "code" for racism.

Quite frankly, if the left is so concerned about the racism on the right they need to show an equal amount of concern for cleaning up their own act and hold their own to the same standards as they hold the opposition, but you dont.

Just out of curiosity could someone please point me in the direction of the app that allows me to determine a persons political affiliations solely based on his/her statements or actions.

It seems to me that if someone uses a handgun in a crime they are suddenly a "gun toting right wing nutjob", if they use any derogatory racial slurs they are suddenly a "tea baggin racist".

Please tell me why is it that the left does not seem to have ANY persons that do any wrong and do not say anything inflammatory?

Those bastards at Fox pulled ALL of the comments down! Now they are even MORE racist because they did not leave the racist comments up for others to point how racist they are! /sarc/

Face it left, all you want to do is point out how racist the right is and ignore how racist the left has demonstrated itself to be.

Plantsmantx,

One other thing, if you are going to comment about a video, watch it.

Did you really read my impression of the video and the radio host? If I didn't know any better, I'd think that said I was of the opinion that he wasn't being racist. I didn't have to skip ahead to form the opinion that he is...you know, in other words, agree with you, in that instance. What else do you require?

Plantmantx,

No, I know you found him to be racist, I understood what you were saying but then you went on to essentially state that "Now, his hostility toward her for being a black movement conservative is pretty harsh...much more harsh than usual, by the way, but it's not necessarily racist."

Watch the entire video and tell me that if he were white saying the same words that he would not be considered racist. I do not take into consideration the color of the person making the comments, or the color of the person they are being directed at, I only take into consideration the words themselves. A person is certainly capable of being racist towards his own race.

I do not take into consideration the color of the person making the comments, or the color of the person they are being directed at

But in the instance and context of the conversation they were having it does matter. You'd have to have an understanding (and I mean a real understanding, not what you heard limbaugh or hannity or the anorexic chick with the huge nose say on tv) about the uncle tom syndrome and the house negro mentality. They appear as the Stepin Fetchit character or caricatures of blacks in the minstrel shows. So if the radio host had been white, then a.) they don't have the cultural background to approach the conversation from that point of view and b.) I don't know of any bold enough to even give it a try. Is the host a racist? Most likely, yes. Were his actions and comments out of line? Undoubtedly. Does the average person understand the cultural reasoning behind his anger? Probably not.

The host made a fatal mistake in getting angry and feeding this woman everything she needs to keep her opportunistic light alive. There is a growing trend I've seen these days of the so-called conservative black. It's quite amazing how many of these people are popping up out of nowhere making self-deprecating comments about blacks and getting their name in some conservative blog and then on to stardom. They feed off reactions like this and that was exactly what she was looking for. She gets five more minutes of face time in the spotlight and all she has to do is play Stepin Fetchit for the conservative crowd and say all of the things about blacks that they wish they could say and not be viewed as racists.

If he were white and badgering her about whether or not she belongs to the Tea Party? No. If he were white, told her that she was a figurehead for "whites" without qualification? Yes.

A person is certainly capable of being racist towards his own race.

Well, yes. Why are you still posing your response to me as if I denied the racism of the host?Are you disappointed that I did that?

but then you went on to essentially state that "Now, his hostility toward her for being a black movement conservative is pretty harsh...much more harsh than usual, by the way, but it's not necessarily racist."

Yes, I did go on to say that. It's not racist, in and of itself- no more than it's necessarily racist for a white liberal to be hostile toward a white conservative, or vice versa. See, that's a perfect illustration of what I pointed out in #1.138.

Jarhead In WI,

It doesn't take an app, if you don't come on and spew vitriol against religion, Corporations, the whole Republican party or anybody that has more than you, you are a RWNJ.

plantmantx,

thank you, you made my point clear. You are not concerned with those on your side that are racist, you are to busy hollering and screaming that all of the racists are on the right. You make excuses for Jesse Jackson's comments but had they been made by someone on the right they would have been IMMEDIATELY taken as "code" for racism.

I missed that one. I'll ask again- why do you keep responding as if I didn't say that host was racist? Look, if a white person on the left said he wanted to "cut Obama's balls off", under the same circumstances Jackson said, I would, as is the case with Jackson, say he was over the line, but I wouldn't think he was being racist. I only specify "left" because I can't imagine a rightist saying the same thing for the same reason. But, if by some miracle they did, I wouldn't call them racist, either.

Plantsmantx,

I apologize, sometimes I am a bit jaded when it comes to Newsvine and the willingness to accept that someone is actually being objective in their comments and tend to too often read between the lines or see that which is not there.

You are correct, I re-read your posts and you are in fact making yourself clear as to how you feel about the radio talk show host. The mistake was on my part.

And trust me, there is no sarcasm intended, I was in the wrong and I admit that.

Zen Freedom,

Your argument is flawed. The idea that a person needs to have a "clutural understanding" to be able to understand why a person is acting the way they do is incorrect. To use that same logic would allow for the argument that a person that was raised in a white racist environment to allow him/her to justify their actions by simply arguing that is what their environment is and that others from outside ot it just dont understand.

The host made a fatal mistake in getting angry and feeding this woman everything she needs to keep her opportunistic light alive. There is a growing trend I've seen these days of the so-called conservative black. It's quite amazing how many of these people are popping up out of nowhere making self-deprecating comments about blacks and getting their name in some conservative blog and then on to stardom. They feed off reactions like this and that was exactly what she was looking for. She gets five more minutes of face time in the spotlight and all she has to do is play Stepin Fetchit for the conservative crowd and say all of the things about blacks that they wish they could say and not be viewed as racists.

This comment of yours, I dont even know where to begin. The fact that you refer to her as opportunistic? Since when has choosing to get involved with politics because you do not like what is going on considered to be opportunistic? You refer to the "so-called conservative blacks" as though, becasue of their skin color, they have some sort of responsibility to the DNC. Apparently you are unable to accept the fact that a black person is unable to think for themselves without taking marching orders from the DNC and to choose freely the party affiliation they opt to associate themselves with.

Quite frankly, it is comments like yours that beg the response of likening you to the Confederate govt. that issued and edict that any black that wore the Union blue would be summarily put to death as a traitor to the South. the only difference is that you are not putting them to death, you are simply choosing toe execute them in the court of public opinion with slanderous terms like "porch @!$%#", "uncle tom" and "stepin fetch".

I'm afraid you're still missing the point. I don't deny that are black conservatives out there, I mean to believe otherwise would just be inane. My came in late, but my post was more of a supplement to Plants' post at #1.138. Most specifically this part:

white liberals and conservatives can go at it like cats and dogs, and it's mostly just seen as politics. On the other hand, there's this attitude, especially on the part of conservatives, that this is completely out of bounds when it happens between black liberals and conservatives. Or, I should say, it's out of bounds for liberal blacks. No such perceived prohibition exists when it comes to conservative blacks being hostile toward the rest of us.

I'm not choosing to execute anyone over anything. I'm looking at the picture as a whole and not just her appearance on the radio show. So-called black conservatives (such as the woman in the interview and a few others whose names I don't recall atm) are merely out there to go about and rile up the conservatives by spouting off all of the stereotypes about blacks that they would like to say. And, in their minds, they can't be called out on any of the BS they put forth or their opportunistic reasonings for doing so.

As far as the cultural understanding of the terms I don't have the time to explain it right now because of job duties, but I will be sure to get back to that portion later. I hate to use the phrase "It's a black thing...you wouldn't understand." but I can't really find a more fitting way to say it at this point in time. Gimme a few hours and I'll give you a better understanding of what I'm trying to convey.

Zen Freedom,

No, I dont think I am missing the point, I think I hit it square on the head.

So-called black conservatives (such as the woman in the interview and a few others whose names I don't recall atm) are merely out there to go about and rile up the conservatives by spouting off all of the stereotypes about blacks that they would like to say.

I do not need you to explain anything. The fact that you made this statement is explanation enough. What gives you the right or insight to say whether this woman is or is not a conservative? You tell me that "it is a black thing, you would not understand" as being the closest to a proper explanation that you can give at this point.

Ever stop and think that what this woman is saying, or what any of the black conservatives are saying my just be ... their personal experiences and insight that YOU may not understand?

Quite frankly, I do not think that you have an issue with her color, my intent is not to infer that and I apologize that I did. What I am saying though is that you seem to have a problem with the fact that the type of things that you normally would hear coming from the "good ol' white boy club" (gosh, that is not racistwhen the left calls us that!) are actually coming out of a black persons mouth and those on the left dont know how to combat it because the raace card is taken away and all they can do now is attack the person making the statements by trying to tear them down as "tokens" and "Uncle Toms".

<remains impassive, with great difficulty>

The man gets suspended for that? Talk about censorship.

Tenny:

I just think that is petty. Rules are guidelines and that respect others is subjective.

Ever stop and think that what this woman is saying, or what any of the black conservatives are saying my just be ... their personal experiences and insight that YOU may not understand?

Wow, lol, I seem to have missed quite a show while taking care of business. At any rate, Jarhead isn't here atm to respond but I will take a moment and say this: I have no problem with her being black or being conservative (which is quite apparent by her appearance on the show and her backing by the teabaggers). I have no problem with black conservatives if that's what they want to be. However, they can't go around spouting stereotypes and not expect to be called to task for it. Do I think she grew up around the stereotypes? It's readily apparent that she didn't. The only thing they are adding to the national conversation about the black community are talking points they hear and parrot.

Looking up this woman's information on the internet reveals nothing of substance concerning her other than she's a republican and she's asking for money. I perused her business page and wasn't impressed with it. Her business is telling you things you could figure out on your own with use of a computer and the internet. She is nothing more than a flash in the pan trying to "market" the under-dog black conservative meme to a ticket to the Senate or the House so she can be on easy street (like the rest of the career politicians). Unfortunately she brings nothing to the table: no money, no influence, no thinking. She's an empty suit.

So where does she come from? What are her relevant personal experiences that lead her to politics (other than seeing how easy it is to fleece the willing)? Everything she espouses to stand for are nothing more than the disingenuous (at best) or out-right lies talking points put out by the teabaggers and (vocal minority) gop fringe. It is not up to me or anyone else to tear them down as "tokens" or "uncle toms", they prove themselves to be so merely for 15 minutes of face time.

I just think that is petty. Rules are guidelines and that respect others is subjective.

Yeah, there's nothing disrespectful in:

Next time before you open that festering suck of yours try running it through a filter first and think about what you say!

lol. I don't usually argue with elderly people so I'll leave Jarhead to his meanderings from here on out. It's suffice to say that I will agree to disagree with him concerning this matter.

Rules are guidelines and that respect others is subjective.

I'll bet your new to the Vine?

You know you've spent too much time in the Fox News comments section when:

You can't tell that this:

"festering suck"

is disrespectful.

Or that this:

Obama is a N — — — — r!

is racist.

I'm not new to the internet and chatrooms/blogs. I know how to manuever pretty proficiently through this maze.

This place was once Newshole if I remember correctly.

I wouldn't know about that. Now we try to keep it nice.

Or at least only covertly mean...

BigRedOne4Life since you joined NewsVine on Feb. 2 I would say you are new.

You might go here:

Code of Honor

and do some reading.

pwt...

Don't lie to my readers. Calling other Newsvine users bigots is not allowed. Calling the column owner a bigot, beyond not being allowed, is just plain stupid.

Now who's lying? I DID NOT call you a bigot. Please cite.

(Actually, I'm still waiting for some citations, from last year.)

I referred to your bigoted, or biased, "slant on news organizations..." As in an adjective, not a noun.

Huge difference. Hope this helps...

I'm not new to the internet and chatrooms/blogs

It seems like things might be getting a little tighter. Probably proof reading before you post these days is a good idea. Anyway welcome to the Vine BigRedOne4Life.

The only thing they are adding to the national conversation about the black community are talking points they hear and parrot.

Exactly, Zen. She may have some special insight, but she's sure not articulating it. She's just parroting the rhetoric of white rightists- rhetoric that is completely uninformed by any real insight into black America. It's just a collection of justifications and rationalizations.

Rules are guidelines and that respect others is subjective.

This place was once Newshole if I remember correctly.

BigRed - I noticed in your profile that you are lacking meaningful history in our community. Some advice: showing disrespect to other viners is not a good idea. Showing disrespect for the Newsvine community as a whole, is a worse idea.

Please read the CoH and apply the guidelines to your comments. Thank you.

Exactly, Zen. She may have some special insight, but she's sure not articulating it. She's just parroting the rhetoric of white rightists

And she's not the only one. That's the scary part. These tools are popping up everywhere and being treated as if they are some great sage. And it's not wisdom that is speaking. They see dollar signs, plain and simple.

These tools are popping up everywhere and being treated as if they are some great sage. And it's not wisdom that is speaking. They see dollar signs, plain and simple.

Correct.. lots and lots of folks (black, white, hispanic, whatever) coming out of the woodwork, spouting all kinds of stupid azz, hyperbolic right wing bs. These people have no real political ideologies or loyalties. They may be "tools", but they're not fools.. they see all the loose money flowing around in the GOP/TP circles and they just want to jump on board the money train...

Arguing with the rightL:

I have never even once met someone from the right who can apologize gracefully.

I have never even once met someone from the right who could even be wrong.

This is how I know the pope is a Republican...

When I argue with the right I keep my question short because their temper is shorter.

When I argue with the right I stick to basics, in order to build a foundation.

But mostly when I argue with the right I stand on my head so that I can see things the same way as they do...

Publius - Your next to last line was ignorance itself. You do the right no service when you make such comments

And I can not see things from a leftist level, because I can't stick my head my own ass like the left does.

There I fixed your post, it was written on a very ignorant level.

And yet you throw a temper tandrum, while at the same time you say they are the ones with tempers.

Publius,

Do you notice how you confirmed what I wrote...

<shrugs>

Publius

Excellent posts, and your spot on, again. When I started writing on the vine, the libs were going on and on. Bush and Rumsfield lied, they made up the story about WMDs, in Iraq.

Well after posting the numerous videos, of the democrats during the Clinton Admin, going on and on, about Saddams has WMDs and we better do something about it. Everyone from Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Sandy Berger, Hillary, who said Al Queda trained in Iraq, Al Gore.

Then I posted videos, of Saddam using Nerve Gas on the Kurds. After posting these videos that sure shut them up on that point.

Then they went on and on, well well it is still Bush's fault. So I told them to go download the 911 commission report, and knowing they would be to busy reading Van Jones article, I even told them read pages 110-111. 1996 Clinton was offer Usama Bin Laden, but he was to busy with Monica, and Chinagate. Their are some people who actually think Clinton, was impeached for having sex in our Oval Office. He got out of office, he ran, if not the whole of the democratic party, would be bye bye.

Anyway, excellent post, and give no quarter.

Clinton Admin, going on and on, about Saddams has WMD

I don't seem to remember Clinton going off and starting a very expensive endless war (or 2) over it either

Sally,

Due respect, I disagree with this one.

Not that it matters or anything...

:)

Sally,

Is that a true violation or is it that he spoke ill of the left?

Interesting...very, very interesting.

People should know better then to say anything that would upset the fragile sensitivities of a liberal. The moderators know who pays the bills around the vine.

Allowed: #1.182

But mostly when I argue with the right I stand on my head so that I can see things the same way as they do...

Disallowed: #1.183

And I can not see things from a leftist level, because I can't stick my head my own ass like the left does.

WOW!

One way you have a sore spot on top of your head.

The other way you have crap all the way to your shoulders.

Which would you pick? :)

Still, I agree that the statement quoted for being banned is not personal it's general - if scatological.

On the other hand, the sentence below the quoted one in the same comment was personal.

"There I fixed your post, it was written on a very ignorant level."

But kind of sneaky. He's calling me ignorant.

<shrugs>

I'm not.

Well not completely.

:)

Oh wow...I was just getting to know Publius 2012 (I don't think he posts here often from the looks of it) and as far as I know he hasn't been suspended since he joined about 6 months ago) too bad he gets a week for basically saying the same thing that was said to him first...and a tad bit harsh (don't ya think?) considering a prolific Viner who should know better, gets merely a day for plagiarism...

I hope the mods will reconsider...

In any event, a Friend request on it's way for Publius2012!!

Mistake

So now you have to be sneaky to dis the other side of the aisle. Okay, got it.

When I argue with the right I keep my question short because their temper is shorter.

When I argue with the right I stick to basics, in order to build a foundation.

But mostly when I argue with the right I stand on my head so that I can see things the same way as they do...

Runner99,

No, you have to be sneaky to dis someone personally. This is the first suspension I've seen for this type of comment.

:)

I agree that both quotes are equally provocative.

I hope I didn't just talk myself into a suspension.

:)

Well at least you are honest. I even voted you up for that. Thank you.

and a tad bit harsh (don't ya think?)

Yeah well...it's a week. He's not banned. The proper way for him to handle it is to just...take it. Let it roil off his back. That way, he won't be a victim....right?

Parallels, parallels...;).

Whitney died.

You say damn, she was good, and put her away with Elvis and Jimmy and Janice. Why muck it up over politics, it really is obscene to do so.

Why would we care even if she was green with spots and had bad breath when she sang?

A pattern is developing. PWT doesn't like valid, and on-topic, rebuttals from Global. As a result, the best and safest course of action is to Delete.

That saves the time and trouble of providing long overdue citations and the embarrassment of being corrected.

But, I want to be one of your "readers!' Truly I do!!

Global777,

Sometimes its a good idea to just walk away. It's always hard though...

In the absence of fair and equitable moderation, you are correct. This biased, inflammatory seed isn't worth my time.

The seed is completely accurate. FOX Commenters ARE posting racist screeds about Whitney Houston. Just because you claim bias does not make it so.

Why is it only "fair" if those commenters are defended? If they claimed the moon were madeof cream cheese, would it be biased to claim they were idiots? Or would we need to accept that there idiotic contentions might be true and have3 a reasoned debate as to the merits of their argument. Claiming that FOX commenters are NOT leaving droves of racist comments is the equivalent of claiming the moon is made of cream cheese. Idiotic and worthy of ridicule.

Little Green Lies?? Accurate??

Accurate??

If they were not, you would have provided some form of proof. As you did not, we know that you have none. You see, when we use your own words against you, that's called accuracy. When you make shyte up, that's a lie. And righties only know how to make shyte up.

I would not be surprised if some OWStreeters with too much time on their hands actually did it...say a cyber flash mob. Myself, I am a conservative, and in my dealings with people from all spectrum's of life = not a single negative word about her - just sadness that her life is over way too soon and what a beautiful voice she had...little green football is the seeder's source? Yeah, okie dokie, it only confirms what I suspect...

Do you ever blame the people responsible Vol? Always trying to blame someone else for your side's screw ups. And then always saying only your sources are worth anything. Amazing, simply amazing.

I do agree with you for this part:

just sadness that her life is over way too soon and what a beautiful voice she had.

But the rest is kind of like a civet cat, stinks to high heaven

Although Publius's comment was a little off color it was true and not a COH violation. Flamaway should've gotten the same suspension. He did the same thing. But I guess because he's a lefty he is immune. I have noticed that about this site. The bias here is pretty bad.

Publius comment could ??? be considered off color somewhat....what is not addressed is how the right has tested the limits of being_____— but those that think like them are immune to see the obvious or what they criticize and attempt to understand....aka the code words of the old conservative right.

No offense taken. I was just making an observation from my limited experience here. Although I have only been posting for a short while, I have visited this site many times. I Post articles at other sites and sometimes a link brings me here. So I figured, what the hell, I might as well try this place out.

Whitney Houston was an amazing singer. You would think that the racist hatred would not have reared its ugly head. Who did she hurt? Nobody but herself. She was a human being.

But to bring this further along, I don't think her death warrants putting the flag at half mast. They didn't do it for Michael Jackson, Jim Morrison or Buddy Holly. Why? Because they are not national heroes. They are only celebrities. Now Jimmy Stewart was a celebrity but he was also a decorated world war two war veteran.

I don't think her death warrants putting the flag at half mast. They didn't do it for Michael Jackson, Jim Morrison or Buddy Holly.

While I think it's odd to lower the flag for an entertainer, it's the State of New Jersey that is making that determination for their own state. I live in Texas, so it's not my call, or really even any of my business. So far as I know, no one is calling for flags across the nation to be lowered.

I don't think her death warrants putting the flag at half mast. They didn't do it for Michael Jackson, Jim Morrison or Buddy Holly.

They did do it for Michael in Gary, Indiana....

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/31557757/ns/today-entertainment/t/flags-half-staff-jacksons-hometown/

And its not a national thing, its either a local or state decision.

Sally, I have to question this one.

And I can not see things from a leftist level, because I can't stick my head my own ass like the left does.

Publius 2012, you are suspended for a week for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.

Above all else, respect others. Address issues and arguments and refrain from making personal attacks.

I didn't see any personal attack there. I saw a strong opinion on how some may be perceived but nothing directed toward any individual.

Mongo - Additive value of many troll grenades and personal insults. Look at the list of comments on profile. Fairly sure that was just the last straw.

But this was the comment that was acted upon and clearly was not a personal attack. It was an opinion, which regardless of what others think about it, has the right to be expressed. It doesn't mater what else might have been said in the past, there was nothing in reference to any of that at all.

From appearances, it looks like censorship under the guise of the COH.

Grenade trolling. It's a broad-based, derogatory attack and a violation of the CoH.

It's like saying all the little Reichies are hell-bent on killing babies once they pop out of the womb. It's a derogatory attack on all right wingers. It may be true but it's not allowed.

It's like saying all the little Reichies are hell-bent on killing babies once they pop out of the womb. It's a derogatory attack on all right wingers. It may be true but it's not allowed.

Of course, that's not any more true than "all the little lefties are hell-bent on killing babies before they pop out of the womb."

It could be true, but it's prohibited.

What about Harry Truman Democrat, dropped two atomic weapons on Japan, when they were clearly wipped, or JFK Democrat started dropping Agent Orange, on the little children, who lived in the Jungles of Vietnam, or Clinton, who thought it was lawful to use his presidential power, to score sex in the Oval Office, but unlawful to take up the Sudanese offer in 1996, on handing over Usama Bin Laden. This decision of Clinton's, lead to the lost of lives, in the WTC, not to mention the lives lost, hunting down Usama Bin Laden. How many trillions, were spent hunting down Usama Bin Laden?

Is this grenade trolling, or carpet bombings, or is it considered Nukeen them

Paul William Tenny, may I save your reply so I can post it the next 10 times this person posts this comment you answered?

Paul William Tenny

Clinton admits letting Usama go in 1996

He thought is was unlawful, to put Usama in custody, so he asked the Saudi's to do so. Clinton thought it was lawful, to use his presidential power, to score on girls, old enough to be his daughter in the Oval Office, then lie to congress about it.

Whitney Houston is NOT the icon for drug use among celebrities. Countless white singers and entertainers, movie stars etc. have fallen because of this addiction.

Whitney Houston is being hailed by most because of her awesome talent. Many in the industry describe her as a very kind and considerate person. Seh engaged in philanthropic activities and supported causes in which she believed. Drug use was a part of her life, not all of it. She was able to accomplish a lot in spite of it.

I would like to see the list of accomplishments for some of her detractors, and then examine their lives with a magnifying glass to see if they had any faults.

Whitney Houston was a human being just like the rest of us. As human beings most of us are flawed in some way or another. But, her flaw mainly did damage to herself. The hateful rhetoric and thinking of many of the racists who post on this issue is far more damaging than anything Whitney ever did. At least, she left us with a legacy of beautiful music. What have some of these idiots contributed to anything?

Paul William Tenny, may I save your reply so I can post it the next 10 times this person posts this comment you answered?

It does get tedious, seeing the same comment cut and pasted over and over, misspellings and all, into threads where it's only tangentially relevant to the subject at hand. And it's not as though it was particularly trenchant to begin with.

Clinton admits letting Usama go in 1996

Reagan sells guns to Usama in March 1985.

NSDD 166

Grae:

attack on all right wingers. It may be true but it's not allowed.

Wouldn't this statement also be considered the same kind? It sounds like it to me, as you generalized and suggested it to be factual. That too is merely your opinion. should it be tagged as offensive? I am sure it has by someone.

My point: It doesn't matter, because an opinion, regardless of how many disagree, is not grounds for punishment.

No, I was merely pointing out that EVEN IF it were true, the broad based generalization would not be allowed. I did not accuse all CONs of anything.

I see it as an implied statement. No different.

The COH stated was about personal attacks and there was none.